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Postby cleanofgreen » Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:18 am

Hey exstonerinhell,

I enjoyed reading your post and it's kind of ironic that the two who accuse you of preaching are preaching themselves. This forum is for support and getting your thoughts out in the open which helps with recovery. Keep up the good work, as you say all it takes is time and you'll be back to your good self before you know it.

@tokeless I think your being too harsh on the OP, maybe he should have used "brain out of balance" rather than brain damaged but you got the drift and should have let it go. It's great you had little mental issues when you gave up but obviously the majority posting here have and thats why there here for support. You're not being very supportive.

@candid Your talking about giving up cigarettes which is a whole different ball game from weed. Giving up nicotine is a walk in the park compared to giving up a lifetime of weed abuse. I gave up a 28 year smoking habit using alan carrs book too but I didn't have 6 months of mental torture with nicotine withdrawal

There's a great saying "If you've nothing good to say, say nothing at all" I'll do that now and stop my post here :D
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Postby exstonerinhell » Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:40 am

Clean, I tossed you a PM, sorry if you're not responding because you don't have time but if you get a chance could you get back to me? Thanks so much.
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Postby Candid » Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:47 am

cleanofgreen wrote:Your talking about giving up cigarettes which is a whole different ball game from weed. Giving up nicotine is a walk in the park compared to giving up a lifetime of weed abuse.


Clearly it's a matter of personal perception. Carry on!
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Postby tokeless » Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:55 pm

There's a great saying "If you've nothing good to say, say nothing at all" I'll do that now and stop my post here :D

There's another one. We all look at the world through different windows but it's the same world.
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Postby potsleep » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:04 pm

Candid wrote:
tokeless wrote:people relapse because they still feel the drug helps in some way...


Even if it's 'only' keeping those agonising PAWS symptoms at bay! :roll: The symptoms the drug created...


Seriously... are you really dismissing these people and their symptoms??? The drug does create the symptoms. You try smoking weed every day for 30 years and tell me how you feel after quitting. It’s not that they are just not happy with what normal feels like and would rather be high. Have some compassion.
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Postby tokeless » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:12 pm

Seriously... are you really dismissing these people and their symptoms??? The drug does create the symptoms. You try smoking weed every day for 30 years and tell me how you feel after quitting. It’s not that they are just not happy with what normal feels like and would rather be high. Have some compassion.[/quote][/quote]

I did. I'm not lacking compassion at all but if you can show me where I have been I'll read it. There's absolutely no problem if you or anyone else thinks my opinion or experience stinks. Just ignore it and look for those one's that appeal to you more. It's a forum and that means you get lots of varying opinions.. Filter out the one's you don't like. It's really not a problem for me, so why for you?
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Postby potsleep » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:28 pm

When did you quit and where were you getting your weed? I’m 43 and have been smoking since 17. The pot back then was nothing. I quit many times with no issue. I live in Toronto and weed is basically legal and I’ve been using very high grade sh** for the last 5 years. When I quit this time, it was all hell breaking loose. I thought I was going to jump off a bridge. Seriously. Now 4 months later, I’m beginning to manage. I’m sorry but this sh** is called withdrawal symptoms. I’m not just secretly depressed. This was all caused by use of tihe drug. Period.
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Postby Freedomhfx » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:50 pm

Stop with the judgment of each other’s posts!!!!
If what you read doesn’t help, move on. There is no need to criticize each other.

Giving up a mind altering drug is hard enough without having to defend feelings, symptoms, reasons or even relapses. Supporting each other is the priority and nothing else matters here.

Get with the program here or find another forum to ‘right fight’ because it isn’t helpful to those of us just trying to find inspiration and kindness to get through another difficult day.
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Postby exstonerinhell » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:58 pm

potsleep wrote:When did you quit and where were you getting your weed? I’m 43 and have been smoking since 17. The pot back then was nothing. I quit many times with no issue. I live in Toronto and weed is basically legal and I’ve been using very high grade sh** for the last 5 years. When I quit this time, it was all hell breaking loose. I thought I was going to jump off a bridge. Seriously. Now 4 months later, I’m beginning to manage. I’m sorry but this sh** is called withdrawal symptoms. I’m not just secretly depressed. This was all caused by use of tihe drug. Period.


Boss, I know what you're going through. You know what you're going through. Only the people who've gotten caught in this hell could understand, and that's okay. I wouldn't wish this on anyone, and if I could take it on myself to go through this so no one else had to I would. We'll get through, don't rev yourself up over this. We'll get through.
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Postby tokeless » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:37 pm

Over 5 years now. I lived in Holland for several years and smoked high grade hash and grass. I didn't smoke low grade but that's irrelevant. I really mean you no bad feelings so I'll wish you well and move on.
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Postby potsleep » Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:43 pm

tokeless wrote:Over 5 years now. I lived in Holland for several years and smoked high grade hash and grass. I didn't smoke low grade but that's irrelevant. I really mean you no bad feelings so I'll wish you well and move on.
Best wishes



For the record tokelss. It was the “rolls eye” comment from Candid that really pissed me off. Like we are a bunch of babies complaining about symptoms that don’t exists because PAWS isn’t a thing and we just hate being clean and a bunch of addicts looking for “just another hit” to escape our horrible reality.

Like no sh** the best way to quit is to just quit. I don’t need a book to tell me that.

The problem is these horrible symptoms that are just dragging on.

It’s even worse. For a junkie that one hit of whatever will make it all go away. I tried that 3 months ago. That’s when I went to the ER for a panic attack. Weed is truly evil when abused.
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Postby Coldturkey2018 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:20 pm

When I started smoking weed i was just buying regular weed or sometimes stuff that people here call Dro ( pretty garbage weed) just anything that got me high practically, anyways it wasn’t till I stepped towards the use of high potent concentrates, green and at the end of my addiction sometimes hash, that I realized that I felt different and wasn’t enjoying getting high anymore. Starting a new semester in school I knew I had to drop the green but I didn’t think it was going to be this hard to quit something that I found completely harmless at the time. it’s only when you start to abuse the use of it that you start seeing the effects it takes on your body, and coming off of it a whole nother ball game for some people. I mean sure you could of had problems when you first started using marijuana that maybe pushed you towards being such a avid user but I never experienced anxiety this bad or depression until I stoped using.
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Postby Foggy Noggin » Thu May 17, 2018 2:28 am

Great Post ExStoner!

I thought it deserved to be kicked up to the top for anyone new who may have missed it originally, like me.

I like the distinction you make between the brain and the mind and your post is packed with lots of great analogies.

Hope you are able to ride a good wave on your way to recovery.
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Postby jimmyjazz » Thu May 17, 2018 5:50 pm

Caught up with this as it was bumped to the top so glad it was. Exstoner that is a really interesting read particularly as I have sod all knowledge about how the brain works so I certainly won't challenge any of it.

Regarding the following posts then my own philosophy is not to read too much into other peoples negative experiences as a sure sign of what will happen to me. I am not doubting them for sure or undermining anybody elses challenges but honestly if I believe I will be severely suffering 6, 9 or 18 months later down the line I will give up and reach for the skins now! For me to stay on this train I have to believe it is getting better every day and right now I do. Yes I am only 1 month in but I too smoked for 25+ years and I have always been a high grade skunk smoker (at least since the mid to late 90s anyway). My tolerance was so high I could smoke 1 gram on my 7am dog walk before I started my day and feel little more than a happy buzz (probably usually still stoned from the night before though)

Tokeless is one of the few if only posters I have read on here that doesn't contain a fair amount of doom and gloom about their quit and didn't report PAWS (which I am for the record not underestimating at all). Call it blissful ignorance if you like but I am going to assume that is how I will be until something happens to suggest otherwise. I stopped because I wanted too, I don't need to throw dealers numbers away or find friends that don't smoke it, I have pot full of it in the kitchen draw and there it will stay until I get around to giving it away to a stoner mate as I just don't want it anymore in my life end of.

Thanks

PS: If you want a challenge then try giving up with your partner (my wife also a smoker of 25 years decided after 3 weeks of my quit I had inspired her and is now 1 week into a cigs and weed quit too). I will let you all know in time how that one pans out... :|
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#29

Postby Blinkers » Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:54 am

This is a great post
How are you feeling now?

exstonerinhell wrote:If you're coming here, suffering from Marijuana PAWS, first and foremost, you have to accept you're brain damaged right now. Yep, terrifying, but it's true. You pumped your brain full of a foreign substance, and to counteract that substance your brain had to go against its natural order to come to a level of homeostasis with what you were doing to it. The brain is not meant to feel that much pleasure at the flick of a lighter over, and over, and over again. And now, you've made the right move and have stepped away from weed, but Oh no!, now you're suffering.

Why? Because you've made your brain suffer for so long and now it's getting back at you? No, the suffering you're going through now is healing. Just as when you get a virus or a stomach bug, your body reacts violently to right itself and to protect you.

Don't freak out, just because you're brain damaged doesn't mean that you can't/won't heal, you absolutely can and will (and I write this with total confidence, deep, deep within the hellish grip of PAWS) heal.

People who come out of a coma and can't walk (you can) heal.
People who come out of a coma and can't recognize their loved ones (you can) heal.
They can't speak (you can), write (you can), or read (you can) and they heal.

So, what in the hell is going on then? Why are you so depressed, anxious, racing thoughts, crying spells, suffering from depersonalization, headaches, cold spells, sweating, and all the fun things our brain puts us through during this process? You are healing. Your mind and body are trying to find a balance within themselves in an attempt to intrinsically heal themselves, and now you're along for the ride.

Let's look at the bits of your brain that are freaking out right now, trying to balance themselves out after the trauma you caused by this so-called innocent, harmless and non-addictive drug.

Amygdala
Fear, this is the bit of your brain that creates fear to protect you from a tiger in the brush, a bear in the woods, or a snake in the jungle. It, when working properly, is there to protect you. Now, you're sitting in front of your computer, maybe right now you're afraid of the moon, afraid to leave your house, afraid of your own shadow, afraid you'll never get better and you can't shake that fear. I know, I've felt it pretty much everyday since I've started on this journey. It's important to realise that this fear isn't generated in your mind, it's in your brain. You're in constant fear because your amygdala is healing. It may be like this for a while, it may pass and then come on stronger when a bad wave hits you. It's okay, this is healing and sooner or later this piece of your brain will get its chemistry in order and the fear will go away.

Hippocampus
The memory part of your brain. Why do you keep having these racing thoughts, and strange memoires pop up out of nowhere? This bit of your brain ties in old memories to emotions, and it's going haywire right now. These thoughts, emotions and memories that bubble up can be disturbing and mentally painful to re-live but it can't hurt you. Just like the amygdala it's in a state of shock right now, but it'll settle itself, and restore itself to a steady state.

Hypothalamus
Body temperature. Getting hot, or cold? Sweating in bed a lot? No, that sweating isn't your body 'flushing' toxins, it has other ways to get rid of the THC. Your hypothalamus is trying to figure out what's going on and is righting itself.

Frontal lobe
This bit is for planning things, making decisions, and inhibiting emotions appropriately. Why are you freaking out because you can't focus on a task and crying all the time? Frontal lobe is chemically screwy right now. This will calm down, and things will come back.

Occipital lobe
World looks screwed up right now? Seeing floaters? Lights too bright? Maybe even catching a visual hallucination from time to time? Occipital lobe is healing, working its way back to stasis.

Vestibular system
Dizzy? Feeling like your on a boat from time to time? Well, combine this with the occipital lobe and it's like you're in some kind of crazy funhouse. None of this is dangerous (as long as you're not driving at the worst of it) and is just chemically righting itself from the loss of the obscene amount of chemicals you've been dumping into your brain.

Temporal Lobe
This is where auditory information is processed, but also where your brain picks up on the meaning of what you're hearing, how it interprets it and bounces it to the other parts of your brain. Having a hard time with conversations? Not following along and feeling like you're some kind of space alien pretending to be you? Also, are you hearing weird things, maybe playing a song over and over and over in your head?

Alright, so that's, in a simplistic way, what's going on. These things all work together to make your brain function. But it's important to distinguish between your mind and your brain here. You brain is doing a lot of crazy stuff to right the ship right now and your mind is caught in the middle of all this construction work. Would you stand in the middle of a large building being built? Well, you wouldn't but in this case you are and have to. That's why it is all so distressing, why it all feels so crazy and you don't feel like you. It's not because you're going crazy, it's not because you are crazy. It's because your brain is trying to do everything it can to come to some sort of a baseline level of functionality, and one way it does that is by firing off and receiving chemicals. You've deprived it of a chemical and so therefore it's working around that, bringing you back to a level of intrinsic health. But your brain doesn't care about your mind, and what it's going through during all this. It's just trying to protect you by healing itself.

But your brain doesn't recognize your mind as something it needs to heal, that's your job, so you need to put any dark and scary thoughts (perhaps even suicidal thoughts) here into their proper perspective. Your brain isn't responsible for your mind, you are. So whatever your brain throws at you right now, it's your mind that has to put that stuff in proper perspective. Which is, "My brains messed up right now, sorting itself out and it's scary, strange, and weird but I need to let it do its thing, while protecting my mind. I must realise this will take time, a good amount of time, and be patient and kind to myself. And know it will end."

Realise that thoughts are just thoughts, and as distressing and painful as they can be you are still in control of your actions. Your mind controls, your brain does the rest.

To go back to my coma patient talk of earlier though, you have to understand that these people don't heal by just sitting there waiting to heal, they have to work for it, and so do we. How? Push yourself to do the things you used to do, no matter how uncomfortable. Walk, talk, socialize, clean your room, cook dinner, do everything you used to do before this nightmare to retrain your brain, to let it know it still can do these things, even without tons of THC running rampant through your grey matter.

Look, it sucks where we are. It's going to take your brain a lot of time to right itself, but understand it does get better and it does get worse. Your brain has to function while it's repairing itself and your mind is caught in the middle of this. Put that into perspective, keep your focus on your mind and let the brain do it's own healing. Sooner, or later, the two will sync back up.

You need to be patient, kind to yourself but also need to push yourself. You need to be strong, you need to protect your mind from your brain right now. It will get easier as time goes on, but that's going to be your ally and your enemy right now. Time.

Stay strong, you (and I) will get through this and you will be stronger because of it as long as you work to find yourself (your whole self) throughout this process. You need to retrain your mind, but you also need to go easy on yourself. Rest when you need to rest and don't push yourself too hard too fast. You're brain-damaged, but not mind-damaged and you will heal.

I know it. This isn't withdrawal, this is recovery.
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