Misogyny at the root of anger towards wives

I'll tell you what I've seen, Josh. I've seen people like you use manipulative tactics as you are using right now on me in order to achieve your covert little goals. No, I don't think you are one bit thankful. I think you are feigning ignorance. I think you hope I will fall for your dirty little tricks. And I'm sure your next response will be that of alleged hurt. Well, it would be if I hadn't pointed it out, but let's see what you'll come up with instead.

Josh Smith wrote:Hi Richard,

So your rationalisation is:
because this is a voluntary forum, I Richard can't have been passive-aggressive even though I admitted I was.

Last post you played victim, this post you want to play deflection. And now you laughingly try to manipulate Wondergurl.

Misogyny is the least of your problems. You are in here, because your behaviors (tantrums, manipulations, playing victim, etc.) don't seem to be working out for you very well in life. Yet in here, as a stranger, you can't seem to let go of those same patterns. I'm a man Josh, you are using the same whining, deflection, victim style tactics you use on your wife. Misogyny has nothing to do with you trying the same b*llsh*t in here on me.

If you want a better life, try to deal with your insecurities. When you raise your self-esteem you won't feel the need to play victim or deflect, you won't feel the need to manipulate.

Hi Wondergurl,

Wow, I'm shocked at the aggression behind your last post - and hurt too, though, for some reason, you don't think that's possible.
You wrote:

I think you hope I will fall for your dirty little tricks.

What are these dirty little tricks you have in mind?

Hi Richard,

You wrote:

And now you laughingly try to manipulate Wondergurl.

How do you think I'm trying to manipulate Wondergurl?

Josh Smith wrote: How do you think I'm trying to manipulate Wondergurl?

Obvious placating in your initial response. Beyond obvious. A strategy you most assuredly use not only with women.

While you are are getting over your initial shock, and hurt...just let me fetch you a handkerchief to wipe your bitter tears. There, there, now, you poor poor thing.

WonderGurl wrote:I'll tell you what I've seen, Josh. I've seen people like you use manipulative tactics as you are using right now on me in order to achieve your covert little goals. No, I don't think you are one bit thankful. I think you are feigning ignorance. I think you hope I will fall for your dirty little tricks. And I'm sure your next response will be that of alleged hurt. Well, it would be if I hadn't pointed it out, but let's see what you'll come up with instead.

Jeepers, WonderGurl...

BUT didn't he just Totally Surrender to You? and then you declare his UNCONDFITIONAL SURRENDER, as, well, 'manipulative'. I wish Everybody were that 'manipulative' with me, that is, giving me everything I ask for in order to be on my Good Side. Well, they Would Be, wouldn't they? If somebody renounces a Struggle and Admits to being Beaten and Offers you His, or her, Hand.... WHAT!? do you Stridently Shout "MANIPULATER" in his face and Discount Everything He Said as some kind of Devious Plot? Well, YES, I DON'T TRUST THAT GUY EITHER.... BUT!....HE MADE HIS MOVE, and yes, you have noticed it was a very Well Played move. So Why Not Accept It!?

He let you Win?... Right? ... so you STILL want to screw with his Head.

I think that guy has enough problems already.

Leo Volont wrote:Jeepers, WonderGurl...

BUT didn't he just Totally Surrender to You? and then you declare his UNCONDFITIONAL SURRENDER, as, well, 'manipulative'....

Hi, Leo.

No, he did not surrender, as you put it, to me. I'm convinced it was a completely calculated maneuver by op. It really is just a typical example of a failed attempt to manipulate. Josh tried to shock me by using exact same behaviour that was just pointed out. You fell for it. I didn't. Thing is, if I was wrong, if Josh was being genuine, he would have responded to my last post sooner or later after he had licked his wounds.

Leo Volont wrote:He let you Win?... Right? ... so you STILL want to screw with his Head.

I think that guy has enough problems already.

Again, no, he did not let me win. As typical of people with such choice to relate as displayed by OP, he simply further tried to covertly manipulate. Totally and completely.

I don't believe at all I "screwed with his head". People like himself are surprisingly good at the whole wolf in sheep's clothing thing. Obviously, i am unaware of his motivation as to why try and manipulative total strangers other than when he is successful it fulfills some sort of need.

OP disappeared not because his head got screwed with which it didn't, I can absolutely guarantee you that. Yes, quite possibly his ego got bruised a bit in the process, I would imagine even more so after having adamantly claimed to be a misogynist... The reason he dissappeared was because his needs weren't being met here any longer. Simple as that.

Experienced manipulators like himself... Josh would rather find a more attractive source to feed off than face why he acts the way he does. Very little, if anything at all, to do with my sardonic response to his miserable attempt to reel me into his little game he cannot help himself but keep playing. The guy is his own worst enemy.

WonderGurl wrote:

Leo Volont wrote:Jeepers, WonderGurl...

BUT didn't he just Totally Surrender to You? and then you declare his UNCONDFITIONAL SURRENDER, as, well, 'manipulative'....

Hi, Leo.

No, he did not surrender, as you put it, to me. I'm convinced it was a completely calculated maneuver... .

Dear WonderGurl,

Of course I am on your side of this,,, I DO really hate that Guy.... BUT....

You Just Can't Ignore his Play. It is Simply Intellectually Dishonest.

then there is the Matter of You Not Wanting to Invest the Time in Exploiting what he just HANDED TO YOU ON A SILVER PLATTER.

Maybe his MANIPULATION, as you call it, is in figuring that YOU just want a Loud and Disorderly Scrap, and THAT would not happen if he 'Unconditionally Surrendered'... AND he was hoping and praying that He Was Not Wrong About You... that you would not 'Turn on a Dime' and use his Capitulation to Show that He has Effectively Capitulated on Everything... that he is a TOTAL LOSER... and all of that by his own Confession.

But, instead of Following up on your Victory, and pursuing his Retreat, to hack down his last resources, you stand still... akimbo... and yell about how manipulative he is to totally agree with you.

Honestly. If you ever thought of going into politics, or taking up chess... well, forget it. You would just be wasting your time. That guy is laughing at you. You do know that, right? Is that what you played for?

Leo, if you for one minute think that I care or am even remotely interested whether Josh is laughing or crying at me, you are mistaken. People like himself are of no importance or consequence to me whatsoever.

Why would I want to exploit whatever you think he may have handed to me? I am not interested in playing covert mind games, I find them bothersome. Josh is not a victim as you perceive him to be, and he is, as are so many of that type, a highly resourceful individual. He will only see in every situation that which reinforces his belief system, regardless of what you have to say, as he is not a strong enough individual to question his established beliefs.

WonderGurl wrote:Leo, if you for one minute think that I care or am even remotely interested whether Josh is laughing or crying at me, you are mistaken. People like himself are of no importance or consequence to me whatsoever.

Why would I want to exploit whatever you think he may have handed to me? I am not interested in playing covert mind games, I find them bothersome. Josh is not a victim as you perceive him to be, and he is, as are so many of that type, a highly resourceful individual. He will only see in every situation that which reinforces his belief system, regardless of what you have to say, as he is not a strong enough individual to question his established beliefs.

Dear Wondergurl,

yes, I sincerely sympathize with you. But look at what you did here in full public view. you took on an Adversary, and you let him really just kind of kick your butt and laugh at you in front of the Whole World. Do you want your Grand Children to read through this Thread?

You DID Get Involved.

Now you say you don't care whether you Did Well in This Thread or Not. Really!? ... GOOD PEOPLE always want to do WELL. That is kind of bound up in the Definition of Being Good. But you found that Being Good might require too much Thought, too much Work... and so you took the Moral High Ground of declaring that you are Simply Too Good to Bother with That Despicable Rat..., That IS your argument, for backing down, isn't it?

Well, as an Intellectually Honest Person, count the number of ways you are... well... less than up to the Mark of having met the Situation Honestly, Thoroughly, and, what would well be within your grasp if you tried.... Successfully.

You went up against this guy, and he did circles around you. Are you really going to just leave it at that?

Leo Volont wrote:yes, I sincerely sympathize with you. But look at what you did here in full public view. you took on an Adversary, and you let him really just kind of kick your butt and laugh at you in front of the Whole World. Do you want your Grand Children to read through this Thread?

So? What about it. Do honestly think I care about your, OP's or my fictional grandchildren's take on my posts in this thread? I'm here, just like anybody else I imagine, for a bit of craic. In fact, I'm having the craic reading your posts regarding my posts. It's amusing.

Leo Volont wrote:You DID Get Involved.

Now you say you don't care whether you Did Well in This Thread or Not. Really!?

Lol. Let's just say that I certainly do not need an approval on whether I did well.

Leo Volont wrote:... GOOD PEOPLE always wan to do WELL. That is kind of bound up in the Definition of Being Good. But you found that Being Good might require too much Thought, too much Work... and so you took the Moral High Ground of declaring that you are Simply Too Good to Bother with That Despicable Rat..., That IS your argument, for backing down, isn't it?

Well, I would never go for your choice of words for describing the OP. I would maybe go so far as describing him as an experienced or a skilled manipulator, but a despicable rat? Leo, that's very harsh of you, don't you think?

As far as the goodness is concerned, I consider it good to not enable manipulators.

If you consider me bad, well, i take it as a compliment.

Leo Volont wrote:Well, as an Intellectually Honest Person, count the number of ways you are... well... less than up to the Mark of having met the Situation Honestly, Thoroughly, and, what would well be within your grasp if you tried.... Successfully.

Thanks for the feedback. I cannot guarantee I will keep that in mind next time I'm meeting a situation.

Leo Volont wrote:You went up against this guy, and he did circles around you. Are you really going to just leave it at that?

He did circles around me? And what I'd he going to do next? Have a go at me? Well I'm looking forward to that. Till then, yes, I am going to just leave it at that.

Dear Wondergurl,

This is nothing against you.... or maybe a bit in a way, BUT, I never liked the idea of somebody responding to one of my Posts Line by Line.

How is one to Answer such a Post? Line by Line? and then how will it continue from there? Every Post must become a Dozen Posts to answer each and every Little Quibble.

yes, I glanced at what you wrote, but, really, nothing interests me. If you think that I think that you Out of What's His Names League.... well, you can Only Imagine how much I think you are out of MY League.

What will Playing Around with you get me? Are you here for Help? yes, I will help. But NOT if you presume to Lecture me. Yes, I respect you. I would take my hat off to you in an elevator, BUT... this is an Intellectual Forum.... at a certain point we need to acknowledge Quality of Content.

Leo Volont wrote:What will Playing Around with you get me? Are you here for Help? yes, I will help. But NOT if you presume to Lecture me. Yes, I respect you. I would take my hat off to you in an elevator, BUT... this is an Intellectual Forum.... at a certain point we need to acknowledge Quality of Content.

This is getting ludicrous.

I have no idea what your weird little games get you.

No, I'm not here for help.

Away you go so and continue your subjective acknowledgement of the quality of content, I'm sure there'll be lots of people who will actually appreciate your take on things.

WOW! Just dropped in on this topic and all I can say is... are we having fun yet? Strong energies flying about on this thread. :-O