Rapid Inductions: read and post here

There are various ways of using the breath.

Firstly you can encourage some 7/11 breathing and bounce off of the physiological changes this encourages.

Secondly you can simply associate certain feelings and behaviours with each breath.

Thirdly you can covertly associate arm levitation with the natural rise of the chest to encourage arm levitation.

There are many other ways too.

My preference is to simply use eye fixation, get the person to breath 7/11 style and then as they exhale to give a suggestion that the next time they exhale to repeat the word relax 4 times and allow their eyes to close only as quickly as they are ready etc.....

Pace and lead from there.

Anthony

Thank you for the suggestion.

I always fix their gaze first and then ask them to breath in and out deeply and slowly.
Then I go ahead with magnetic "whatevers"
I find the breathing exercise does everything Anthony says and provides me with another form of compliance/control.

error265 wrote:no it doesnt, because an instant induction doesnt hypnotise someone, someone aint hypnotised until they are deepened, the supersuggestion, then doing phenoma.

Hi, I'm new at hypnosis, I'd like to know if what error265 said is true. What are they when they are hypnotized? in trance?

Can I hypnotized someone just by saying "close your eyes" then deepen?

Yes. So can error265. Is that a good place for you to start? Probably not.

JCheng wrote:

error265 wrote:no it doesnt, because an instant induction doesnt hypnotise someone, someone aint hypnotised until they are deepened, the supersuggestion, then doing phenoma.

Hi, I'm new at hypnosis, I'd like to know if what error265 said is true. What are they when they are hypnotized? in trance?

Can I hypnotized someone just by saying "close your eyes" then deepen?

I hope you don't mind my adding two cents here.

I have found that hypnosis is all about purposely manifesting an automatic reaction ability the we have as humans, an ability that we need when our conscious mind focuses on something, because we can only focus on one thing at a time and we need to be able to react to threats during this conscious focus as a basic survival need.

This automatic reaction ability does not involve the intellect, it is pure cause and effect reaction. We spend our lives learning the different ways to react, that we call "getting the hang of it", "becoming accustomed to it", "learning the ropes", etc.

Since this natural ability of ours automatically manifests itself to the required degree to compensate whenever we consciously focus on something else, (especially if that focus is internal to the body) it can be as easy as saying "close your eyes" and then suggesting (deepening).

This can be enhanced in several ways. One of which is using the mind of the subject to do the desired work beforehand and just triggering the response.

This is called "expectancy". Provide the subject with what is going to happen, how they will react when it does happen, and what the starting signal for it to happen, will be.

You can see a video of this type of induction here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyfghJWuSzo

Or experience it for yourself via a video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQGtmf3b4oI

I hope this helps you
John

Hi, thanks for the responses, but I still don't get it (I'm new)

My original question is: What state are the subjects when the hypnotist do an induction on them? because according to error265 they are still not hypnotized until deepening and suggestions. So, what state are they in? Hope you guys understand my question.

I think it is called the relaxed state. There's a difference between a subject in relaxed state and a subject in trance state.

Don't try too hard fitting every moment of a hypnosis session into a distinct state. Sometimes there are more gradual shifts. The induction is the first step in establishing a trance state, it just starts moving someone further towards a trance state. How much of an impact it has depends on many different things, e.g. rapport, how you've set up the situation, what kind of induction you're using, what the person's expectations are, etc.

Instant inductions in particular work by inducing, in a manner of speaking, a state of mild confusion or shock. When you do the shock part (arm drop, arm pull, whatever), you briefly jolt the mind out of its standard patterns ("pattern interrupt"), leaving it struggling to figure out how to react. If you provide a suggestion at just that moment, it's extremely likely that the mind will follow it, especially if it has reason to do so (complete strangers might not always take too kindly towards you randomly doing a shock induction on them without any setup, so results may vary in that case).
That suggestion can be something that moves towards a trance state, but it doesn't have to be. I've seen pattern interrupts used for directly achieving effects like amnesia, for instance. That takes a bit of experience and finesse, though.

JCheng wrote:Hi, thanks for the responses, but I still don't get it (I'm new)

My original question is: What state are the subjects when the hypnotist do an induction on them? because according to error265 they are still not hypnotized until deepening and suggestions. So, what state are they in? Hope you guys understand my question.

When you do an induction you create a moment to give another suggestion. Not a lot more. They are not in some kind of suspended animation and I would argue not in a special state. You have to follow the induction by suggesting they go in a certain direction.

Anthony

It might be easier to think in terms of processes rather than states. For instance, perhaps the subjects are never 'there' (because that would imply a state) but instead are 'experiencing' as an ongoing process. If you stop the process then the hypnosis ends.

Error265 was actually suggesting that until you've tested hypnosis, it has not occurred. This is slightly more existential than it may appear but this is because we have no way of validating hypnosis without testing it; we cannot, for example, look inside someone's head to see what is going on and physical signs tend to be inconsistent and a bit vague. Hypnotherapists who claim they do not need to test because they simply 'know' are arrogant idiots IMHO. (Feel free to disagree people, I'd love to be proved (or demonstrated) wrong.)

I will go one further and state that they do not even need to close their eyes. I'll then go one further than that and state you do not even need to deepen. You just need to give suggestions. However, this is not necessarily easy when you start out. The easiest way to start is to follow a process, such as Ant described in Reality Is Plastic, and that will appear on our new DVD set.

Cheers

Kev

Hi, thanks everyone for the responses! that's what I wanted to know!


Here I have another question.

kevsheldrake wrote:Fractionate and tell them to go deeper. You can always revert to previous phenomena that works and use that to cause the bigger phenomena - "when I touch that hand it becomes unstuck, but at the same time you forget your name".

I have done stiff arm many times and it works, but forgetting names (amnesia) has never worked for me. I read Kev comment (above) and that technique looks very cool and direct. So, I wonder, does it always work for you guys? what's the probability that they'll forget their name? I really want to try it

JCheng wrote:Hi, thanks everyone for the responses! that's what I wanted to know!


Here I have another question.

kevsheldrake wrote:Fractionate and tell them to go deeper. You can always revert to previous phenomena that works and use that to cause the bigger phenomena - "when I touch that hand it becomes unstuck, but at the same time you forget your name".

I have done stiff arm many times and it works, but forgetting names (amnesia) has never worked for me. I read Kev comment (above) and that technique looks very cool and direct. So, I wonder, does it always work for you guys? what's the probability that they'll forget their name? I really want to try it

People really don't like to "forget" things, it implies permanency. You should have much better luck if you rephrase it as "don't remember", as that is usually referenced as temporary.

I ran into this when I was just learning. I would suggest they would forget and I have actually had subjects tell me: "I need the number 6", and, "I need to know my name". When I switched to "don't remember", there were no more issues.

Just a thought.
John

JCheng wrote:Hi, thanks for the responses, but I still don't get it (I'm new)

My original question is: What state are the subjects when the hypnotist do an induction on them? because according to error265 they are still not hypnotized until deepening and suggestions. So, what state are they in? Hope you guys understand my question.

I'm sorry, I never did answer this directly, so I will now.

In the previous post I made referencing the automatic reaction ability we have as a species. This is how I personally define "trance" but I realize that others don't agree. (Many are hung up on the labels we put on words as to exact definitions, and then go searching different dictionaries until they find one that suits their purpose, so I don't like to apply labels unless it is simply for clarity of the function or phenomenon).

So, to answer your question, when that instant induction happens, they should be in the suggestible state that some refer to as trance. If they weren't, deepening (which is just suggestions) would have no effect.

John

JCheng wrote:So, I wonder, does it always work for you guys? what's the probability that they'll forget their name? I really want to try it

If a subject can exhibit emotional phenomena (unbridled laughter, etc) then the next step is often amnesia. If it doesn't work, James Brown recommends trying again or suggesting they go to the perfect level of trance for them that would make it work.

Cheers

Kev