Cold Inductions - Street

jimmyh wrote: There's peer reviewed research showing that cold induction rapes/bank robberies are impossible? I wonder how they showed that, and what their p values are...

Yes, just use Google Scholar, the pseudo addition. And the p values are .05, same as those used for paranormal activity and alien abductions.

I think you missed the point

No, I think I didn't.

I understand peer reviewed studies cannot prove that a Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exist somewhere in the universe.

There was actually quite a bit more to the point than that, but yes, that is part of it.

Good to know.

this lies in the dark side of hypnosis,, there are many cases registered all over the world regarding,, thefts using hypnosis,,

hypnotism wrote:this lies in the dark side of hypnosis,,

Agreed. Much like the dark side of the force, or the dark side of voodoo. These powers can be used both for good or evil.

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:

hypnotism wrote:this lies in the dark side of hypnosis,,

Agreed. Much like the dark side of the force, or the dark side of voodoo. These powers can be used both for good or evil.

yeahh

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:Real life examples. I lived in Las Vegas for 11 years, home to some of the best hypnotists around. I worked with Steve Wyrick for a year (magic not hypnosis, but you want some sort of sourcing). I have handled hundreds of criminals, personally. I have investigated rapes, personally. I have watched plenty of sleaze bag guys in bars thinking they were using hypnosis or trying out the latest trick they learned from pickup artist video #3.

So you've watched professionals work professionally, you've talked to people who never used hypnosis, and you've watched people who only know the most basic tricks of hypnosis.

Sorry, but that's a bit like saying "I've watched professional painters, and I've spoken to people who wore clothes, and I've watched children with crayons, and based on this experience I can tell you with 100% certainty that it is impossible to dye clothes."

I don't have your experience in any of those areas. However, I have spent a year in an amateur hypnosis community where unethical hypnotists occasionally try to get subjects to do things against their will, and I can tell you with certainty that it can be done. Now granted, it can't be done to every subject, and with many subjects there's a limit to how much can be done before they're able to resist it. However, I'm confident that if a bank teller was the right sort of person, they could be persuaded to hand over sacks of money by a hypnotist.

I also believe that Derren Brown's Assassin experiment was genuine, and demonstrates that an exceptionally good subject could be hypnotized to commit assassination against his will and without his knowledge.

Also, by the way, when I was talking about rape, I wasn't talking about cold induction. Whenever I've read about that happening in the news, it was in a clinical setting.

saladinsmith wrote:
I don't have your experience in any of those areas. However, I have spent a year in an amateur hypnosis community where unethical hypnotists occasionally try to get subjects to do things against their will, and I can tell you with certainty that it can be done. Now granted, it can't be done to every subject, and with many subjects there's a limit to how much can be done before they're able to resist it. However, I'm confident that if a bank teller was the right sort of person, they could be persuaded to hand over sacks of money by a hypnotist.

I've read that you can make anyone do anything under hypnosis as long as you word it correctly. So it won't conflict with their values.

Instead of saying "After you wake up, you will hand me all of your bills in your back pocket." to "After you wake up, you believe that you owe me XXX dollars and you are paying me back the entire amount." (Giving incentives for them to do it to like saying it feels good to do so and you are feeling totally safe).

Wondering if that goes with cold inductions as well.

saladinsmith wrote:... I can tell you with 100% certainty that it is impossible to dye clothes."

Also, by the way, when I was talking about rape, I wasn't talking about cold induction. Whenever I've read about that happening in the news, it was in a clinical setting.

You don't have to personally experience putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger to know it can kill you. Hypnosis is not some mysterious, unknown in the psychological community. One of the weakest excuses amongst all the pseudo sciences is to the claim that only if you are in the inner circle can you understand. It's like fake wrestlers pretending it is actual wrestling and getting upset when it is labeled as fake. And you see the huge money fake wrestling brings in, so it is not as if there are not gullible people willing to shell out money for that sort of entertainment. I can't blame the street hypnotist for making a buck.

The unfortunate thing is the negative connotation that clinical hypnotists must deal with as people associate magic and the stage/street hypnotist as being similar.

I cannot tell you with 100% certainty anymore than you can. Regardless, this is another common trick to attack those that question the "hypnotist". The same as you cannot disprove the existence of a big Flying Spaghetti Monster somewhere in the universe, I cannot disprove that cold induction hypnotism to rob a bank or rape someone will 100% never work. This form of attack against anyone that does not believe it possible is the same offered up by astrologers, paranormal investigators, snake oil salesman, voodoo experts, miracle workers, exorcists, etc. The basic attack on any person that challenges the possibility is to say how it cannot be disproven. A weak argument to say the least, but when that is all you have left in the bag I can't blame the person for using it.

As for the clinical rape, the thread was about cold induction, street hypnotists not clinical. That is why I pointed to it in my response. I thought you were discussing clinical, which the OP was not posting about.

Skull86 wrote:... as long as you word it correctly.

Which is exactly why it is pseudo scientific malarkey.

The person does what they are asked and it is classified as hypnotism. They don't do what you ask and it must not have been worded correctly.

The "hypnotist" is in a win/win situation, able to explain away any possible outcome.

Old timer here...

Back in the day, when I first learnt how to hypnotize, I ran some experiments to see just how far you can push things. The whole 'you can't make people do things against their will' didn't make sense to me, but I wanted some confirmation.

I'm now satisfied that while not everyone can be made to do anything, some certainly can be made to do a lot. And giving $ or sex or other is certainly included in 'a lot'. The real trouble is making things last over time. That's where it gets hard.

Of course it makes no sense for any of you to believe me or count on what I'm saying. So go out there and run your own experiments...

As for me, my focus was always therapy, I went and got degreed and licensed up for credibility purposes, and while I use what I learned back in the day as part of my work, I rarely mention the word Hypnosis or do anything that looks remotely similar to it.

Joe100 wrote:...and while I use what I learned back in the day as part of my work, I rarely mention the word Hypnosis or do anything that looks remotely similar to it.

Hello old timer, why? Why do you prefer to rarely mention the word or do anything that looks remotely similar to it?

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:

Joe100 wrote:...and while I use what I learned back in the day as part of my work, I rarely mention the word Hypnosis or do anything that looks remotely similar to it.

Hello old timer, why? Why do you prefer to rarely mention the word or do anything that looks remotely similar to it?

I can do everything I need to do without mentioning it and without doing things that look like it. All it does it complicate things. So I leave it out.

Luckily for me, my job is not to impress people with cool things like making people forget their names. All I need to do is get significant and stable long term change.