Hypnosis to learn hypnosis

Patelk314 wrote:I'd like to find the easy button. Is there a way to become fluent easily??!

Wouldn't we all. It is a billion dollar a year industry, people selling "easy buttons," from weight loss to learning languages, to XYZ. You name it and there is someone willing to sell you an "easy button" and there are enough gullible people willing to pay.

Save your money. If you want to achieve something, work for it. Stop wasting your time searching for easy buttons.

I wholeheartedly disagree! In fact, one of the best things about hypnosis is that it facilitates change quickly and easily. If there is a product that works effectively to learn conversational hypnosis, I'd be one of the Smart people to buy it.

Patelk314 wrote:I wholeheartedly disagree!

Of course you do. You explicitly stated you are shopping for the easy button. Of course you believe there exists a way for hypnosis to teach you language fluently, etc. You believe in easy buttons, which is why you are who and where you are.

Yes. Who I am is an NLP practitioner with over 8 years of consistent training, and retired at age 32. My question to you is, why not? Isn't hypnosis meant to affect change at the subconcious level? I'm not saying there's no effort involved. I'm just looking for a tool to aid in my learning and speed things up.

Often when you have an idea that seems so obvious that you think "why hasn't anyone thought of this!?", they have thought of it. Which, of course, is why you're asking if we've seen it put into practice.

So if it turns out that people have thought of it and there isn't that easy button floating around, what would that mean?

Patelk314 wrote: My question to you is, why not?

Why not? Show me a single peer reviewed, study that shows hypnosis intervention A or B or C has led to statistically significant increases in language learning?

I'm not talking about qualitative case studies where claims are made that John or Sally showed amazing progress. Case studies are fun to read and provide great direction for further research, but, they are not generalizable to the larger population. There is a reason there is not widespread use of hypnosis in schools to enable students to learn faster or easier.

You and I disagree, because I base what is an "easy button" on peer reviewed research. I'm unaware of any studies that demonstrate the easy button for which you are searching. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but tens of thousands of people have searched and to date it has not been found.

Right now, it means that I have to learn through practice, practice, practice!!

But it could mean an opportunity for me to make some money!!

I have found a couple items that are helping allot though--there's the Tibetan Star technique from Salad Seminars. It's a visualization to inspire the heart and mind for achieving a goal. And language learning paraliminals from Learning Strategies Corp. it helps with anxiety and being ok with making mistakes when speaking in the new language.

But what I specifically want is a way to incorporate embedded commands into my everyday lexicon. I think my best bet is to use the Ericksonian playing card deck, and just practice daily

I heard in Japan and Germany and Australia, the school systems are using Ericksonian methods as well as the Tibetan Star technique to teach their students language faster.

Wait a minute...no, they are not. I wonder why?

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:If you want to achieve something, work for it. Stop wasting your time searching for easy buttons.

I wonder Richard, do you advise people against using other "easy buttons," like birth control pills, nicotine gum, cars, GPS, computers, cell phones, the internet, and so on?

"Butter? Buy a cow, milk it, and churn the butter yourself. If you want to achieve something, you have to work for it. Supermarkets are the easy button."

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:I heard in Japan and Germany and Australia, the school systems are using Ericksonian methods as well as the Tibetan Star technique to teach their students language faster.

Wait a minute...no, they are not. I wonder why?

I want to use the same techniques on your children that stage performers use to make grown men cluck like a chicken. The same techniques Estabrooks said he could use to turn a man traitor against his country. The same techniques that the CIA used on February 10th, 1954 to get a girl who hated guns to point a gun at another girl's head and pull the trigger. Don't believe that last one? The US government itself will confirm it free of charge if you make a Freedom of Information Act Request for the document with Mori ID #190691.

Hypnotism does not have a stellar reputation. Even children can tell you that hypnotism is the tool used by the snake, Kaa, and the clown in Scooby Doo to exert their evil will over innocent people.

And what happens when people look past these prejudices and allow hypnotism in the schools in spite of it all? Hypnotist principal held responsible for the deaths of three students.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the reason hypnotism is not used in schools has nothing to do with it being ineffective?

Peer reviewed!!??? What a joke!! Going to a psychiatrist and talking about all the reasons you're broken and remembering all the times you messed up and figuring out, once and for all, Why----is thoroughly peer reviewed. Have fun with that!!

Richard@decisionskills

I realize my last post was a bit harsh, and I'm afraid this post may be tough also. But I am speaking to you as a person who cares. I am seriously questioning your training. I posted on here looking for solutions and you told me all the reasons why I'm not going to succeed. This is not productive for me. I didn't join this forum to engage in debates. And I'm not looking for a "know it all" to tell me the way things work. Thankfully, I have trainers and mentors who I trust. I consider these people to be the best in the world. Don't try to discredit my methods, or try to snuff out my inspiration with your sophomoric knowledge of this subject. I'm above it. My expert suggestion to you is, get some real, live training. You can't learn this stuff from YouTube videos.

Oh, I don't think Richard believes in hypnotism. I think he just comes on this forum to troll people who do.

Hey Richard,
Try not to envision looking out over the ocean in a quiet beach town in paradise on a stormy, rainy day. In fact, you don't have to listen to the waves rhythmically crashing onto the shore. As soon as you do, however, you might become mysteriously aware of your left pinky toe. Which can mean wonderful experiences of healing and transformation can suddenly occur. When you begin to feel the droplets of rain falling onto your face, you might vividly imagine a gorgeous blonde wearing a pink bikini asking you if you'd like to join her for a swim. But then you snap out of it and remember that you don't believe in hypnosis. Therefore you never used it to enhance your confidence, and lost all the confidence you did have as your shoulders dropped and your belly hung over your belt line again. Too bad!

saladinsmith wrote:I wonder Richard, do you advise people against using other "easy buttons," like birth control pills...

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the reason hypnotism is not used in schools has nothing to do with it being ineffective?

First, yes I believe in hypnosis. I think hypnosis has value. Just because I can prove hypnosis doesn't make people learn faster, doesn't mean I don't think hypnosis does not have other value.

Birth control? What a wonderful example. We know birth control pills work, because you can take 1,000 women on the pill and 1,000 women not using the pill (control group) and can determine within a very specific margin of error the pill works.

Birth control isn't a story that Sally took the pill and it worked for her, but there is no guarantee it will work for you or anyone else.

If you take 1,000 people and conduct a hypnosis/language learning experiment and 1,000 in a control group, the learning outcomes are the same. Unlike the birth control pill there is no significant difference.

There are thousands of language schools all over the world. Did it ever occur to you that you are not the first to come up with the idea that hypnosis might help people learning faster? Guess what...it doesn't. That is not where the value of hypnosis reigns.

I do understand some believe in hypnosis almost as if a religion, so they get offended when someone points out it has limitations. Some maintain their ignorance in the face of overwhelming evidence, believing hypnosis can be used similar to a birth control pill.