Misogyny at the root of anger towards wives

Josh Smith wrote: The fact is Teal Swan is a charlatan. She claimed to be...

Same can be said about Lundy Bancroft. In fact there are a lot of people that point to his work being all based on his personal experiences with no scientific basis for most of the claims he makes. Like many charlatans, Bancraft has his idolaters and his haters.

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:

Josh Smith wrote: The fact is Teal Swan is a charlatan. She claimed to be...

Same can be said about Lundy Bancroft. In fact there are a lot of people that point to his work being all based on his personal experiences with no scientific basis for most of the claims he makes. Like many charlatans, Bancraft has his idolaters and his haters.

Hi Richard,

(Oh, Josh, please disregard... I am not speaking to you)

Great Play!

I read the same things you read and didn't Think of THAT. Perfect!

Oh, on another Site I once steered up a virtual Hornets Nest by trashing one of Teal's books.... I found it just a regurgitation of century old New Age clichés, that were said so much better by the Original People who published them, and the original books are now in the Public Domain, so What Do People need Teal For? Oh! She Yo0ung and Attractive and must be a Great Crowd Pleaser. She is just some Corporate Guy's Idea of a Good Business Plan. Teal is just a Pretty Face. Her skills are in learning her lines so she can give Inspiring Seminar Speeches. In Question and Answer Time, well, WHO doesn't know by this time how to answer silly New Age Questions? The Stupider you are the Better... That kind of creates a Low Bar to jump over to be a Great Success... as long as you are Young and Pretty.

Let's see how Teal does when she gets some Wrinkles, her hair thins out, and she puts on 25 lbs. The Publishing Company will simply find the Next "Teal".

Leo Volont wrote:
I read the same things...

I'm really just pointing out both are polarizing charlatans promoting dogma. Josh chooses one over the other, fair enough.

Of course a misogynist will prefer a man's work over a woman's and take the opportunity to bash a woman for her ideology while embracing the man. So Josh liking Lundy and not Teal fits his misogynistic ideals.

Hi Richard,

So Josh liking Lundy and not Teal fits his misogynistic ideals.

Another put down, trying to trash my views.

Josh Smith wrote:Another put down, trying to trash my views.

If that is how you prefer to see it. That is up to you.

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:

Leo Volont wrote:
I read the same things...

I'm really just pointing out both are polarizing charlatans promoting dogma. Josh chooses one over the other, fair enough.

Of course a misogynist will prefer a man's work over a woman's and take the opportunity to bash a woman for her ideology while embracing the man. So Josh liking Lundy and not Teal fits his misogynistic ideals.

Oh GOD! Richard...

I Did Not See That Either! That was Great! GREAT!

what is wrong with me? I should be clever enough to pick up that stuff... But it is Good that You are Paying Attention.

God bless you sweet soul...

Hi Richard,

You wrote:

If that is how you prefer to see it. That is up to you.

which is the passive side of passive-aggression: pretending that you are innocent of aggression.

Josh Smith wrote:Hi Richard,

You wrote:

If that is how you prefer to see it. That is up to you.

which is the passive side of passive-aggression: pretending that you are innocent of aggression.

And? How is your personal opinion of me working out for you? Does it help you, hurt you, how does what you think of me positively or negatively impact your life?

all abuse is about control and ego, when we choose not to seek power over someone else, the abuse stops immediately

Hi Richard,

Does it help you, hurt you, how does what you think of me positively or negatively impact your life?

Your comments hurt me and showing you how you make them passive-aggressively helps me atone for the similar games I've played in the past. And, who knows, maybe you will learn something helpful from all this.

Josh Smith wrote:Your comments hurt me

We have discussed this previously in this very thread. Playing the victim card has no value. You are not a victim in here, you choose to participate in the discussion. You are a grown adult, participating in an adult forum, discussing adult topics. Grow up. The misogynistic attitude and passive aggressive behavior you claim that you display towards your wife is not the same as what takes place in an online forum. She cannot just choose to ignore you, she cannot just choose to not participate, so playing some childish game, pretending somehow this online environment is in any way shape or form comparable to how you treat your wife is ignorant. Note, I'm not calling you ignorant, I'm saying the thought process you currently hold, trying to play victim in here is ignorant. No one is buying it, try again.

Ha, couldn't sleep, so, thought might as well pop in.

As I am new to this thread, I'll just focus on the topic for now.

What I find extremely interesting is the wording of the title of your thread, Josh. "Misogyny at the root of anger towards wives" It sounds to me that you have a problem with the feeling of anger in general. That impression is only reinforced by flicking through this thread. You seem to anger easily, yet you continuously project that anger onto the person who's responses displease you. To be completely honest, the impression I got from what I read is that you are who I would describe as a manipulative individual. I don't mean manipulative in the good sense of the word, as in, influential. I mean manipulative as in the worst meaning of the word. It is a terrible pity that you do not have the courage to face and deal with your weaknesses, instead, you are projecting (I hate to use this term as it has become such a cliché, but I feel it's appropriate in these circumstances) a lot of your traits on the participants of the discussion.

What I see in you, Josh, is someone who's anger issues do not stem from your dislike towards women. I think that your anger issues towards your wife stem primarily from your own insecurities, and your wife is simply a handy target for you to take out your various frustrations on. I believe that it is much easier for you to look at how you treat your wife from the point of view of misogyny in general rather than facing the specific painful realities of having to deal with your own insecurities, as honestly dealing with them would force you to face a lot more painful feelings than just those that only encompass the causes of your misogynist views.

Hi Richard,

So your rationalisation is:
because this is a voluntary forum, I Richard can't have been passive-aggressive even though I admitted I was.

Hi Wondergurl,

Many thanks for making your points without aggression.

You say that you have the impression that I'm manipulative in this thread, could you show me where, please.

I certainly am manipulative with my wife. Examples are repeating passive-aggressive behaviours, not expressing vulnerabilities, lying to hide my faults, and having temper tantrums - which are a manipulative way of bullying. I'm glad to report that my last tantrum was nearly two months ago and the feelings of rage that fueled them seem to have gone. Along with this my levels of empathy are relatively low and it may well be the case that I have something akin to Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
To the rest of the world I believe I appear as a together person - calm and reasonable. It's in the close relationship with my wife that I seem to be driven by primitive emotions.

Have you seen this sort of pattern before?