Are thoughts of killing ok?

**Posts:** 7 · by **Star250** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:38 am

I spend a lot of time in debating in a philosophy forum. My thoughts on ethics sometimes make it seem as thought I’m attempting to antagonize because they seem so abstract to the others on the forum. This leads me to believe that some of my thoughts may not be considered normal. Is it not natural to find enjoyment in inflicting pain on others? I always thought this was just a feeling one chooses to suppress most of the time. A specific thought that occurs often: When in a crowed area I begin to size up everyone, then and formulate a strategy that will best allow me to kill as many people as possible barehanded before anyone can stop me. Most of the time thoughts of actually doing the deed don’t cross my mind, but sometimes when I feel emotionless and treated unkindly it feels like a spark trying to ignite a fire, an unstable feeling. I’m not sure if a lit fire will consist of actually killing someone or just some kind of brake-down or something. I figure psychologist will tell me the truth about weather this is normal or not.

I have heard something about people between the ages of (something like) 12-24 imaging odd things. So just in case I’m a 21 year old US Marine.

**Posts:** 93 · by **timetogetunstuck** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:11 am

Are thoughts of killing ok? I guess they are if you're a US marine... after all, isn't that what you've been trained to do?

And why wouldn't it be difficult to square the normal world (where it's not ok to kill people) and the military world (where it's a virtue)?

I remember years ago driving along a motorway with a mate of mine from university.. we were passing through loads of roadworks. We played a game - what if we killed *that* guy working on the road RIGHT NOW. What would happen next.. how would we get away with it etc etc etc

I don't think that we were immoral, sick or ill. For us, it was just mental agility - virtually explored.. It wasn't any different from playing an Xbox game...

Only you know whether or not you want to do that stuff in real, everyday life. If you do, then there's a problem - just like if you spend most of your time thinking about it.

**Posts:** 1706 · by **JAKJRF** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:34 pm

Hi Star250.

Here's a link; Forbidden Thinking, that addresses "why we all experience those dark thoughts, and why some people become fixated".

**Posts:** 8 · by **Manlian** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:58 pm

Ethics make me laugh.

Irrespective of ethics or morality everything has consequences, including your thoughts.

Take it from me, be careful what you think.

**Posts:** 1836 · by **Annabell** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:16 am

Hi Star250

If your thoughts seem repetitive and compulsive, ie when in a group that is all you are thinking then I can imagine that it is quite tough for yourself!

It sounds to me that in your thoughts, killing all those people who are treating you unkindly or not understanding what you are saying would solve the problem. We defend ourselves when we feel threatened by someone or something.
Maybe your thoughts are getting a bit too extreme. If someone is unkind, normally you'd either think that you yourself have behaved badly or not been clear enough, or that the other person is behaving badly (by being rude towards you) or that he/she does not have the capability to understand what you are saying.

Everyday life and its rules are different from what you learn in the army. Do you feel that those 'rules' have got a bit mixed up? I am sure most of us feel like killing someone sometimes but if this indeed occurs very often I am sure you could do something about it. It does require quite a lot of energy to feel angry/violent all the time.

**Posts:** 4 · by **oevt** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:54 pm

I applause the fact that you are able to show your though in such an intelligent manner that gives us chance to help out.

Thinking by any reason to kill somebody has crossed most people minds specially nowadays

But have a samll example. Think it backwards. Think what if someone has the same thought you have and wants to kill you for whatever the reason as ethics and morals will not apply in the sample.
How would you like it.....
How would you feel being the victim....
Getting screwed....
Nice feeling, don't you think.....

The reply that shows killing as a mind game like an X Box is quite nutricious as the y do have the ability to think several supositions in order to "kill" time no one gets hurt. No marine excuse, although you may have the training to do so in a specific scenario in real life -life is a virtue each individual has and as nobody shoulh take you away from it neither should you.
Get a hobby...get to work...when thinking on harming others think of other harming you or someone you love and that thought will tenderly slip your mind...

p.s.
listen to "dogs of war" from pink floyd and then to "in the turning away" (same record) and find some answers....

**Posts:** 20 · by **what to do?** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:04 pm

No, never ok

**Posts:** 192 · by **meweiss182** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:57 am

its nothing to be ashamed of, ur a marine and marines are fighting machines. They are trained to fight kill or be killed thats what they have taught you. My father is an ex marine officer and he says that they practically brainwash you to make you a killer, not saying its a bad thing and i applaud you for being a marine and serving your country but just remember they are thoughts and in your case apply them only when neccessary aka war.

**Posts:** 81 · by **gnosis3000** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:00 pm

been away for a while...
just wanted to say this- the mind itself can feel like a battle field sometimes. this is true in all but the enlightened. take comfort from the fact that you have a choice in how to behave, and the fact that it bothers you in the first place -it means you are human!! it really is ok
it may be useful though to bring some balance into your life during your down time by engaging in activities that are a world away from your work.
take care
G

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