embedded commands for seduction

It depends on context. For example, the pickup line of, "I have money. Let's have sex" works pretty well with hookers, but usually fails spectacularly with others.

Realistically, the task in front of you is establishing rapport. With rapport, each of you will consider what the other says, whether it's said super cleverly or not. Without rapport, nothing much will happen.

The whole point of embedded commmands is that they attempt to take an existing rapport and either (a) shift it sneakily to a second agenda, or (b) reinforce the primary, openly stated agenda. They're not something that you can do much with cold.

Robert

I think you'll get the answers you want from pickup artists, not hypnotists. Because if you have the embedded command part down, it's the process of seduction that you need to work on.

For me personally, I'm looking for more than casual sex, so the hypnosis doesn't even begin until we're already in bed.

Most of the Pickup guys who tried to do seduction with embedded commands didn't get far with it. Basically the field found out that it doesn't work and they now do other things.

The motivation of using embedded commands for seduction is usually that the guy wants sex but is very afraid of intimicy. That's no good combination. It's much more effective to work on opening up yourself instead of trying to manipulate the girl via hidden commands.

Saladinsmith, are you suggesting that hypnotists can't be pick up artists?

Let's analyze the issue a bit. (And keep in mind that I haven't actually been in the dating scene for a long time.)

Let's divide the parties involved the three categories: "seducer," the "seduced," and the "indifferent," for the sake of convenience.

Some initial observations:

* If the goal is consensual, unpaid sex, then the plausible strategies are (a) to be hit on by a seducer, (b) to seduce someone who is not indifferent to your advances, and (c) to move someone from indifferent to interested, then seduce them. None of these are mutually exclusive.

* Let's consider category (c) to be either a long-term effort or a short-term effort in the hands of a master, and set it aside. This is not about seducing nuns and virgins, but having sex with someone for whom "sex tonight" is on their radar.

* Okay, so let's walk down the strategies. Strategy (a) is to put yourself into a state where people will take a shot at seducing you. This involves a series of skills. Dress and grooming, for starters. Self-hypnosis or NLP techniques to get yourself into the zone are likely to be helpful as well, to make yourself impervious to nervousness and self-doubt, and perhaps boredom as well.

* Strategy (b) requires you to take initiative, otherwise it's much the same.

* In all strategies, the main requirement is to establish a genuine rapport. Trying to skip this step and get the other person straight to the "Yes, master" stage is where people go horribly wrong (though there are plenty of BDSM folks who are into that sort of thing, including with hypnosis, so that's a thought...). Rapport builds a connection with the other person and makes each of you more likely to enjoy and want to please the other.

* Rapport is facilitated by learning basic NLP rapport skills, learning to take a genuine interest in the other person (self-hypnosis is your friend here), dialing back your hormonally driven sense of urgency so your brain can start working (ditto), the idea that this one interaction is really just practice, and you'll be surprised and delighted if it turns into something more (ditto), and ordinary social skills. When in doubt, curiosity or humor -- these are the go-to responses. Of course, rapport turns the other person into a real individual as far as your own responses are concerned.

* Once you're in an actual conversation with good rapport, paying attention to your partner's responses, then embedded commands have a chance to work, but I think they're too difficult for everyday work. Indirect suggestion is your friend here. In some situations, like bars with both lonely individuals and affectionate couples, you're surrounded by indirect suggestions and barely have to point them out.

Robert

Hypnosis techniques are only part of the equation I'm afraid. Why do you feel the need to master the techniques for seduction? What kind of person are you? Are you able to build rapport with people and sustain that with the other qualities that they are looking for? Personally I rate good communication skills, integrity and above average personal hygiene quite highly........

Robert Plamondon wrote:
dialing back your hormonally driven sense of urgency so your brain can start working (ditto)

Is that possible you think? Isnt lust the core intention of all men ?

Lust/libido is one of the three core desires (lust, sleep and eat) and are not really easy to control.

If these men masturbated in advance would you call them genuine while creating rapport?

Hypnoboy wrote:

Robert Plamondon wrote:
dialing back your hormonally driven sense of urgency so your brain can start working (ditto)

Is that possible you think?

There's no mystery about this one. Both libido itself and one's response to it are as subject to hypnotic and self-hypnotic suggestion as other unconscious processes.

Isnt lust the core intention of all men ?

No, the only thing that's common to all men are tautologies --statements like "all men are male." Everything else is subject to wide individual variation.

Lust/libido is one of the three core desires (lust, sleep and eat) and are not really easy to control.

I once swam too far out to sea and was unsure whether I'd make it back alive. During that episode, I was unconcerned about lust, sleep, or food. So I suspect that either your list of "core desires" contains the wrong items, or that one's "core desires" vary from moment to moment, depending on circumstances.

If these men masturbated in advance would you call them genuine while creating rapport?

What a strange question! I'm curious about your definition of "genuine."

Robert