Rapid Inductions: read and post here

I've got this feeling that the 'all hypnosis is self-hypnosis, I can;t take you there without your willingness to let me' is just a sneaky way of getting the hypnotic contract completed.

Ant

Well that would be to manipulate the brain a little.

[quote="Anthony Jacquin"]Reggie,

definately use the word sleep as they fall.

I use the sway test, but any information i can get is much appreciated thankyou.

ulv wrote:Well that would be to manipulate the brain a little.

Thats fine, but it doesn't make it true. So Ulv please expand why is it that you think it a 'truth' that you hypnotise yourself in a rapid induction?

Ant

reggie wrote:
I use the sway test, but any information i can get is much appreciated thankyou.

You said that you complete a contract and some tests. At that pont the sway test is fine but the fall back will work just as well or better. It is generally used by modern stage hypnotists because it is much quicker than the sway (it takes a count of three rather than an open ended amount of time), more visually dramatic for the audience and more of a shock for the person falling - meaning a bigger window to lob in your suggestion to sleep.

I have written it up in some detail on this forum before. It is written up in even greater detail in Jon Chase's Deeper and Deeper.

Test it out and see what you prefer.

Any questions let me know.

Ant

[quote="Anthony Jacquin"][quote="reggie"]

I use the sway test,
i cannot express how much this forum has helped me.I was not a confident person. I have gained mp3`s through this forum that fixed that. I amaze my friends with this uncommon knowledge. I have gained an etticate that i did not think i had, from my first induction. I send my wife to sleep with beautiful dreams every night(she loves them). I perform instant inductions successfully and i want to get certified to help other people because i know how good this information is that you give.I dont know how other people use this information for but for me it has had a huge impact on my life. thankyou i will be watching.

Okey get your point, but I was a little of topic and thought more of the 'normal' hypnosis.

Ulv,

Help me out here. Explain what you mean by

"'YOU are really not hypnotizing them, they are doing it to them self.'

'But it is the truth, and in the manner that you are just manipulating the brain to do things in your favor, like rapid inductions.'

and thought more of the 'normal' hypnosis.'"

I want to know what you mean when you say it is the truth that they do it to them self. I would love you to define 'normal hypnosis'

Ant

What I've heard is that they go into trance because they expect to go into trance.

I've kinda come up with my own rapid induction. I get them to tense their body several times (maybe a bit of overload in it), then tell them "Relax completely and sleep" very quickly, pushing their head forward slightly as I do so.

The most common effect is that their eyes are closed, their heads are bowed down, and their arms are hanging forward. It's very dramatic, and so therefore is quite good in front of an audience XD

Yeah expectation is great but it does not necessarily follow that that means they do ather than the hypnotist. Either way I like your rapid induction thanks for posting it.

Do you typically do that with the person standing up?

Ant

Anthony Jacquin wrote:Yeah expectation is great but it does not necessarily follow that that means they do ather than the hypnotist. Either way I like your rapid induction thanks for posting it.

Do you typically do that with the person standing up?

Ant

I mostly have done it with them standing up, but done it with someone sitting down before and it worked fine. When people are standing up their is probably a conscious fear of falling, so maybe if they are sitting down it could actually work better.

You are getting on my balls here Jacquin!
Well by normal hypnosis I mean more like the relaxation induction, and what I mean by them hypnotizing them selfs I mean they are taking in suggestions and working on them, or you could say 'you' are giving the suggestions, but the job happens in their mind and then they are really hypnotizing them self.

I think it's there you get many mis beliefs around hypnosis, like they often show in old movies where a person becomes a zombie and the eyes of the hypnotist is usually very unrealistic, if you get my point? And by that only you could easy connect hypnosis to something supernatural, like there are very few that can do hypnosis, and if so they have a special ability.

And by 'manipulating the brain' I mean you exploit a loop-hole in the mind, like the shock with rapid inductions. But still, they are the one taking the suggestions, you have planted them yes.. But they use it on them self.

[quote="Anthony Jacquin"]Ulv,

Help me out here. Explain what you mean by

"'YOU are really not hypnotizing them, they are doing it to them self.'

I present as i want my friend to be eyes drowsy head down slightly and if you have a contracted person they mirror even if they have not experienced hypno as long as you are confident and when you send the sleep message its just a capper because there already there.It does not require sleep in a good induction it just needs to be a wind down to nothing, calmness, quiet, floating and i am usually so close to that feeling if they where to tell me sleep at that exact moment i would be there to.

ulv wrote:You are getting on my balls here Jacquin!
Well by normal hypnosis I mean more like the relaxation induction, and what I mean by them hypnotizing them selfs I mean they are taking in suggestions and working on them, or you could say 'you' are giving the suggestions, but the job happens in their mind and then they are really hypnotizing them self.

I know this will sound like semantics, but it really depends on who 'they' are. To take an Ericksonian view, do you mean their conscious mind or their unconscious mind? If their unconscious mind, i.e. as an automatic response (and surely a tenet of Ericksonian hypnosis), then they, as in their conscious mind (the one that they think is them) has no choice in the matter. They are not hypnotising themselves, their unconscious minds are. If, on the other hand, you mean their conscious mind (as in the one that they think is them), then you are presupposing that people consciously choose to enter hypnosis. I believe that rapid inductions use shock and/or confusion to open the door to trance - I don't think the conscious mind gets to choose, as part of the technique is to remove their choice.

To take a Human Givens view, hypnosis is the process of firing the orientation response and then triggering hypnotist-controllable 'dreams' in a state akin to the programming state. The orientation response fires automatically in a number of new, odd or dangerous situations. Utilising this state through deepening ('dreams') can allow a hypnotist to cause the person to enter trance. Again, there appears to be no real choice in the matter of rapid inductions.

Kev

"Can you see into my eyes? Look at them. Try to out stare me. Don't blink or look away, because when you do, your eyes will feel really tired, you will close them and you will go deeply asleep. Keep looking. Don't blink. Don't look away."

As soon as eye contact is broken say "Sleep".

This is a good one to use on kids.