Anger Management Is Imperative. Know Why?

Postby Leo Volont » Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:53 am

Dear Mr. Brown,

A very well organized little essay. I commend you for it.

You seem to have thought a lot about Anger Management. Maybe you have looked into the relatively New Schools of Psychological Therapy -- The Cognitive Behavior Therapies. Some of the leading Doctors in the field have already written books on anger management, using Cognitive Behavior Models in their therapeutic approaches. what do you think?
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Postby thisisfredsmith » Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:20 pm

I believe the late Marshall B. Rosenberg cut through all of the cerebral processes associated with understanding anger.

The bottom line is most people on the planet live from fear and don't know and haven't clearly defined other emotions available?

Don't believe me? Here's a quick test. If I were to ask you, "Hi, how are you today?" More than 98% of people would respond by saying, "good" or "okay."

Truth be known, those are evaluations; not emotions. "I'm happy, sad, worried, focused..." etc. are emotions, but we've been severed and disconnected from another realm within us. Our language is filled with subsets of fear and anger designed to control us. After all, if you are in touch and connect with your emotions, then how can you be a great slave?

As long as anger and fear remain paramount and misunderstood, the greater the chances of us unlocking and discovering the truth for ourselves.
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Postby Leo Volont » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:02 am

Dear Fred,

Yes, awareness of emotions is important. In regards to emotions, I have been trying here on this Page respect the distinction between Anger being a Behavior and NOT being its own underlying emotion. It seems people want to believe that they Behave with Anger because they have an Emotion that is Anger. It leads to a too simple logic: “Why are you Angry?” “Because I am Angry”. They are using a single word for both a Cause and is own Effect. With guns we do not use the same word for both ‘trigger’ and ‘hammer’ and so why should we here?

So I was thinking about what exactly is the most common anger-producing Emotion, and had settled upon Hate for a while. After all, when people are in the midst of anger fits and temper tantrums, between all the swearing they do, we get to hear about everything they “hate”. It must mean something; however, once they come to themselves people, well, hate to use the word ‘hate’. They find it too strong, but I think that is my point… hate rather is too strong, but not mentioning it doesn’t make it go away, and to rename it as ‘anger’ is simply a bit a euphemism for it.

But then I thought about Fear. All of the angry outbreaks related to frustrations and anxieties are fear related, and then I was wondering whether hate also is not a sub-genre of Fear. I decided not. A lot of hate is manifested as contempt, for instance, some of the Rich and Powerful hate the poor and miserable, but they certainly don’t have anything to fear from them. I suppose they are upset with the downtrodden that they clutter up an otherwise perfect world and create an ugly little corner where everything should be beautiful. So sometimes Hate is just Hate. Or, then again, maybe the Rich are bit afraid that they too might fall, and the Poor represent to them a reminder of the consequences of some possible failure, some turn in their fate, a drastic change in their luck. You think things are going great until your accountant runs off with your wife and your stock portfolio.
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Postby Leo Volont » Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:19 am

thisisfredsmith wrote:I believe the late Marshall B. Rosenberg


Oh my, but I went ahead and looked up Marshall B. Rosenberg. My truthful analysis is that no intellectual with much capacity at all could honestly believe the things that he is saying, and that he is saying things that would appeal only to a niche market of all those “All We Need is Love” people.

Now, yes, love is good. Who doesn’t like Love? But Rosenberg doesn’t believe people should make value judgments. He doesn’t believe Evil should be punished. I guess he does not believe in Evil. And no balanced Intellectual can be so one-sided and blindered from Reality.

The Truth is that Society needs both the Carrot and the Stick. Rewards and Punishments. Look at what we have now today? Giving no heed toward Evil has allowed Evil loot and pillage the bigger part of the World’s Wealth into Its own selfish coffers – 10% of the People now possess 90% of the World’s Wealth (and it gets worse every time they look at new statistics), and I seriously do not believe that anybody… not a single black hearted soul… in all of that particular Bracket came by all of that mass of property honestly. But has turning our heads on all of this Evil helped us any? Has ‘live and let live’ worked out so well for us? Well, no! All of that Wealth being horded out of the Economy has led to wide scale unemployment. People are hungry and destitute.

And serious Intellectuals know all this. All this other kind of Preachy ‘Love Will Save Us All’ talk is just bait for a silly soft headed target audience that has shown itself willing to buy silly books and go to silly seminars. So, Rosenberg never had a good Philosophy… he just had a good Business Plan.

Also, some really very compelling people wrote some really bad reviews on his books, while the good reviews were, well, as I said… ‘soft’ .
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Postby thisisfredsmith » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:36 am

I'm thankful I'm not a serious intellectual- I'd probably be full of thoughts, and broke. His method of thinking enables me to make a healthy and consistent six-figure living and endless opportunity. "All We Need Is Love?" lol. All we need to do is grow bigger than the problem, serve others, and get paid for it.

In short, we can have reasons, or we can have results. His methods have developed my mindset and my pockets. My emotional intelligence is through the roof, happiness in limitless abundance, and my mindset is focused and laser-like.

Bottom line: To live it is to know it. If you dig deeper into the thought process, he discusses how to rid yourself of language that stifles your thought. I encourage anyone reading this to not believe a word I say and see for yourself.

This is a personal development forum, so I only share things that have benefited me and other people directly. Be it intellectual, emotional, spiritual or economic.

Take it for what it's worth, but I'm done with this post. My challenge to anyone reading this is to squash intellectualism, put your ego to the side- grow with this tool; and dig deep. Thank you.
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Postby Leo Volont » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:46 pm

thisisfredsmith wrote:I'm thankful I'm not a serious intellectual- I'd probably be full of thoughts, and broke. His method of thinking enables me to make a healthy and consistent six-figure living and endless opportunity. "All We Need Is Love?" lol. All we need to do is grow bigger than the problem, serve others, and get paid for it.

In short, we can have reasons, or we can have results. His methods have developed my mindset and my pockets. My emotional intelligence is through the roof, happiness in limitless abundance, and my mindset is focused and laser-like.

Bottom line: To live it is to know it. If you dig deeper into the thought process, he discusses how to rid yourself of language that stifles your thought. I encourage anyone reading this to not believe a word I say and see for yourself.

This is a personal development forum, so I only share things that have benefited me and other people directly. Be it intellectual, emotional, spiritual or economic.

Take it for what it's worth, but I'm done with this post. My challenge to anyone reading this is to squash intellectualism, put your ego to the side- grow with this tool; and dig deep. Thank you.


Yes, Fred, I never said that Crime did not Pay. There is great Treasure that one can lay up in this World by selling one's soul to the Devil. No, I am not THAT superstitious, but remember that that this Rosenberg Character whom he follows like the virtual Second Coming of Christ was teaching his Coven to disregard the Language of Ethics and Morality. He was teaching them not to let any Mental or Moral Scruple stand in their way.

Is that how we all want to become Rich? If that is the Cost of being Wealthy, then being Rich is too expensive for me.
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Postby Leo Volont » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:56 pm

Dear Everybody here,

It is not that I do not love and respect you all. But, after reading about Fred's Instant Wealth, with no cost to him but a few useless and archaic scruples, I am supposing that about 15% of you will look into that Rosenberg Scheme. And it will only prove what I have known all along, that Morality in this Day and Age is dead. We only have Ethics, and Ethics, really, is only just a dusty old rule book. We all know Good from Bad, Right from Wrong, but we leave all the calls to the Referees, and that if no one is looking, or nobody seems to care, then we go for it with both hands, a shovel, and a wheel barrel... "There is no Heaven, there is no Hell. and none of my Victims will be friends of mine". That can be your Mantra if you ever forget what is really important to you.
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Postby thisisfredsmith » Tue Mar 03, 2015 3:18 pm

After reading the reply that was just posted, I will continue to write.

Explain to me Leo, how your response correlates with personal development, yet alone anger management? Can you please share with the audience your hidden agenda in discounting my sincere personal development response to someone seeking alternatives? Isn't this forum designed to allow someone to discover for themselves a formula that works for them in life, not someone playing armchair quarterback to someone else's, like you just did?

Teach them and show them how you just made this a personal attack, when all I was doing was sharing something that worked for me and others. The yield is the fruit from a game that's been played for thousands of years. If you don't want to play then that's your business. For others, who are frustrated like I was, my recommendation and challenge works. Is that not what this forum is about? Why would you even half-way decide your opinion should discount mine, and who do you think you are? If you read my original post I simply dovetailed off your response to show a quicker way of getting from Point A to Point B. Can you say yours did the same?


I won't get bullied by you or anyone else on this forum. It's the total antithesis of why we're here. If you want to get intellectual, you should keep it neutral. Your comments create inflammatory responses designed to get someone angry, but I'm well above and off that grid and you're facing someone who can and will expose you if you continue down this path.

This is how the frustration game continues and is perpetuated in life. I love how Leo assumes, labels, judges and evaluates a reference I made to share something significant toward my personal development- and it is discounted.. Throw in a few religious references and you have a true formula for the anti-thesis of personal development.

These are typical Status Quo tools intellectuals use to keep the mind locked away. After all, if you are in touch with your emotions and intellect, how can you be a good slave?

Great news, Leo. I'm not going anywhere any time soon. Your comments don't support this forum and create more negative effect than positive cause. I just happen to know the game you play and can, and will, break down each of your manipulative moves to expose the truth- and I'm pretty surgical with it.
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Postby Leo Volont » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:53 am

Dear Fred,

I am so pleased that you decided to stay. You know it would have been rather abrupt for you to just ‘drop a bomb’ on us and not even hang around to comment on the other-math.


About labeling and judging. Anyone who thinks conceptually will in effect ‘label’ and generalize or categorize everything in his experience. While we are not Gods and do not have Infinite Knowledge, we must settle upon Modes of Thinking that correlate and associate perceptions and ideas – “This was like That and so I can expect what happened then to happen now, or something like it”. That is how we learn from Experience. Science does much the same thing with Empirical Data. Similar Sets of Things will behave in a Similar Manner. If A is like B and B is like C, then A is like C. It’s all pure mathematics. So there is nothing wrong with Labelling, is there?

And what about Judging. Well, yes, there you got me. There we differ. Although I must again remind you, that while you shy away from Judging everything else in the Universe, you seem to find a kind of enthusiasm in judging Myself and my Arguments. Yes, while many Advocates of the Non-Violent Communications School of Thought, as per Rosenberg, find it very convenient to lay aside all traditional moral standard and systems of ethics, I myself still apply notions of ethics and morality in evaluating the Quality of People’s Behavior, and we can broaden that out to also cover how I also evaluate present day Civilization, Societies, entire Nations in general, different Organizations, various Corporations, etc. I am a thoughtful person. I think highly of myself. And I am not disinclined to use my Acquired Wisdom to Judge the things I see, hear, and experience in the World. You can accuse me of much, but not of being ashamed.

Now, why do I make such Value Judgments? Well, philosophically I am in a bit of a corner. As I hinted in one of my posts, Philosophy has been dealing with Aesthetics and Morality for thousands of years now and so far Philosophy has been unable to lock down either Aesthetics or Morality into some firm set of formulas and equations. So Politics took over and each Society somehow came to a consensus on both Moral and Aesthetic principles. No, I don’t mean that any Society ever came to a complete agreement on these Values, but many societies did achieve a Working Consensus.

Then, with the Age of Reason, which had as its First Fruits the bloody French Revolution, we had all sorts of Advocates of Pure Reason pointing out what I had pointed out, that there is no Scientific Mathematical Demonstration or Proof that Morality or Aesthetics even exist at all. “So let us do away with those Concepts”, they decided. That created the Political School known as Anarchism. We have Anarchists today. Many Political Conservatives are in fact Anarchists. Much of Rosenberg’s Philosophy holds as Ideal the same things that Anarchy hold as Ideal, that there is no demonstrable reason to hinder anybody from doing anything that might foster their ‘personal development’ (many people use this to mean ‘get rich’).

It is a curious note about History, that at the turn of the 20th Century many Political Scientists were predicting that the 20th Century would be the Battleground between Anarchy on one side and Communism on the other. Well, Communism clearly got beaten, and has been chased off the playing field (Battlefield?), but no mention is being made of the Victory for Anarchy. Maybe they just don’t want to call it that. So they call it Liberty and Freedom, and every year taxes for the rich are further cut, and the Regulations for the Banks get more and more lenient. It seems the only Laws we still have are for the protection of the Have’s against the Have Not’s. They seem to be Proud not to be Anarchists when they are using the Laws to keep the Poor in their place.

Anyway, that was my general reply to the general tone and meaning of your returning essay. But, now a few specific things, if you will allow me:

Is this perhaps a bit bitter. Much of it appears to be ‘insult and personal attack’, and that is against the rules of the forum. Take a look:
thisisfredsmith wrote: ….your hidden agenda … someone playing armchair quarterback… you just made this a personal attack.... who do you think you are… I won't get bullied by you… Your comments create inflammatory responses…. I love how Leo assumes, labels, judges …. you have a true formula for the anti-thesis of personal development…These are typical Status Quo tools intellectuals use to keep the mind locked away…. and I'm pretty surgical with it.


Now, did I attack you? In fact, no. You told me you believed in Rosenberg, and I simply looked up his Philosophy, and yes I did comment upon it, and while much of it was not favorable to it, well, I did my honest best to be fair and not exaggerate. At no time did I go after you personally.

But, look at what you have to say to me. It seems that you are not identifying my Ideas or my Arguments, but Myself Personally for attack. Other people might report you for deliberately flouting the Page Rules, but, I rather look forward to our future dialogues. For one thing, I seem to be pushing your buttons. You talk of my inflammatory remarks making ‘people’ angry. Well, it seems to be ‘you’ that are becoming angry. And this is the Page where we are all well equipped to look at such responses. Why become angry? This is only an Intellectual’s Page. The Words and Thoughts here can in no way threaten or harm you. So to become Angry over anything so effectively harmless shows that your Mind is making more of it then is really warranted by the actually concrete situation. Yes, you are free to become as Angry as you like, as long as you can’t find out where I live, but the rest of us here can use you as a clear example on reactions and behaviors we should be avoiding, as long as our goal is to keep from getting angry.
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Postby JeremyH » Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:53 pm

I think that is very important part of education - anger management in the school. In my opinion anger and stress is nowdays one of the most common problem
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Postby Leo Volont » Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:46 am

Hi Jeremy,

yes, these things should be taught in school, but not just Anger Management.

Depression, Anxiety, Compulsions, Phobias and Fears... all these things can be treated upon. maybe health issues also.

you know, right now this kind of thing is in the domain of the Physical Education Departments, and this kind of addition to their curriculum would be something major, and this is while many school systems all across the Developed World are cutting back on P.E. funding because it is not perceived as being as important as 'CORE' education skills -- the '3 R's' -- just plain ol' readin, ritin, and rithmatic. its a shame, but while the Rich are still getting Richer, society is being allowed to collapse all around us. Outside the pockets of the rich, there simply isn't enough money to anything even half well.
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Postby thisisfredsmith » Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:53 pm

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

― Albert Einstein


Challenge every response and comment in these posts people. Test everything and be a walking question mark. The effect will be your natural awakening and handling of reality as you perceive it.

F.E.A.R. = False Evidence Appearing Real
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