Dear Fred,
I am so pleased that you decided to stay. You know it would have been rather abrupt for you to just ‘drop a bomb’ on us and not even hang around to comment on the other-math.
About labeling and judging. Anyone who thinks conceptually will in effect ‘label’ and generalize or categorize everything in his experience. While we are not Gods and do not have Infinite Knowledge, we must settle upon Modes of Thinking that correlate and associate perceptions and ideas – “This was like That and so I can expect what happened then to happen now, or something like it”. That is how we learn from Experience. Science does much the same thing with Empirical Data. Similar Sets of Things will behave in a Similar Manner. If A is like B and B is like C, then A is like C. It’s all pure mathematics. So there is nothing wrong with Labelling, is there?
And what about Judging. Well, yes, there you got me. There we differ. Although I must again remind you, that while you shy away from Judging everything else in the Universe, you seem to find a kind of enthusiasm in judging Myself and my Arguments. Yes, while many Advocates of the Non-Violent Communications School of Thought, as per Rosenberg, find it very convenient to lay aside all traditional moral standard and systems of ethics, I myself still apply notions of ethics and morality in evaluating the Quality of People’s Behavior, and we can broaden that out to also cover how I also evaluate present day Civilization, Societies, entire Nations in general, different Organizations, various Corporations, etc. I am a thoughtful person. I think highly of myself. And I am not disinclined to use my Acquired Wisdom to Judge the things I see, hear, and experience in the World. You can accuse me of much, but not of being ashamed.
Now, why do I make such Value Judgments? Well, philosophically I am in a bit of a corner. As I hinted in one of my posts, Philosophy has been dealing with Aesthetics and Morality for thousands of years now and so far Philosophy has been unable to lock down either Aesthetics or Morality into some firm set of formulas and equations. So Politics took over and each Society somehow came to a consensus on both Moral and Aesthetic principles. No, I don’t mean that any Society ever came to a complete agreement on these Values, but many societies did achieve a Working Consensus.
Then, with the Age of Reason, which had as its First Fruits the bloody French Revolution, we had all sorts of Advocates of Pure Reason pointing out what I had pointed out, that there is no Scientific Mathematical Demonstration or Proof that Morality or Aesthetics even exist at all. “So let us do away with those Concepts”, they decided. That created the Political School known as Anarchism. We have Anarchists today. Many Political Conservatives are in fact Anarchists. Much of Rosenberg’s Philosophy holds as Ideal the same things that Anarchy hold as Ideal, that there is no demonstrable reason to hinder anybody from doing anything that might foster their ‘personal development’ (many people use this to mean ‘get rich’).
It is a curious note about History, that at the turn of the 20th Century many Political Scientists were predicting that the 20th Century would be the Battleground between Anarchy on one side and Communism on the other. Well, Communism clearly got beaten, and has been chased off the playing field (Battlefield?), but no mention is being made of the Victory for Anarchy. Maybe they just don’t want to call it that. So they call it Liberty and Freedom, and every year taxes for the rich are further cut, and the Regulations for the Banks get more and more lenient. It seems the only Laws we still have are for the protection of the Have’s against the Have Not’s. They seem to be Proud not to be Anarchists when they are using the Laws to keep the Poor in their place.
Anyway, that was my general reply to the general tone and meaning of your returning essay. But, now a few specific things, if you will allow me:
Is this perhaps a bit bitter. Much of it appears to be ‘insult and personal attack’, and that is against the rules of the forum. Take a look:
thisisfredsmith wrote: ….your hidden agenda … someone playing armchair quarterback… you just made this a personal attack.... who do you think you are… I won't get bullied by you… Your comments create inflammatory responses…. I love how Leo assumes, labels, judges …. you have a true formula for the anti-thesis of personal development…These are typical Status Quo tools intellectuals use to keep the mind locked away…. and I'm pretty surgical with it.
Now, did I attack you? In fact, no. You told me you believed in Rosenberg, and I simply looked up his Philosophy, and yes I did comment upon it, and while much of it was not favorable to it, well, I did my honest best to be fair and not exaggerate. At no time did I go after you personally.
But, look at what you have to say to me. It seems that you are not identifying my Ideas or my Arguments, but Myself Personally for attack. Other people might report you for deliberately flouting the Page Rules, but, I rather look forward to our future dialogues. For one thing, I seem to be pushing your buttons. You talk of my inflammatory remarks making ‘people’ angry. Well, it seems to be ‘you’ that are becoming angry. And this is the Page where we are all well equipped to look at such responses. Why become angry? This is only an Intellectual’s Page. The Words and Thoughts here can in no way threaten or harm you. So to become Angry over anything so effectively harmless shows that your Mind is making more of it then is really warranted by the actually concrete situation. Yes, you are free to become as Angry as you like, as long as you can’t find out where I live, but the rest of us here can use you as a clear example on reactions and behaviors we should be avoiding, as long as our goal is to keep from getting angry.