Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:I am skeptical about the dystopian, world-ending conclusions drawn.
World ending? No. The planet itself will keep turning, but there's only one Planet Earth (and nothing else within reach that we can live on) and we're making a mess of it. We got too clever. It appears that the cleverer we get, the more of a mess we make. We can't expect to house and feed a global population that stacks on another billion every 12 years, because both housing and feeding sacrifice more green space.
I still think David Suzuki explains that best in his talk on exponential growth and "the 59th minute". Sir David Attenborough has made a film in which he talks about how much has changed since he began his career. And to complete my trinity of Davids, David Benatar says it would be better not to be born, because the extra years we've been able to create for our species aren't that great.
I have to agree. My grandmother nursed my grandfather at home from the time he had his stroke to the end, not much fun for her and almost certainly horrible for him, but these days stroke-impaired people don't have even that much. Thanks to nursing homes and medical interventions, they have several more years... in hell. I worked overnight shifts in nursing homes and it was quite an eye-opener! I would prefer to be smashed over the head with a blunt instrument as many times as it took to despatch me, so I agree with Philip Nitschke, the Exit International guy.
Now Richard, I'm sure you can cite many instances of people in their 80s and 90s who are still healthy, productive, and enjoying life. I'm aware there are lot of them, but they are a minority. What you don't hear about is the vast majority for whom life gets worse with each passing year.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/10/heal ... index.htmltokeless wrote:As with Orwell's vision in 1984, the world changed and our understanding of the truth, war and control with it, but it didn't end.
In one sense it ends every microsecond, as do we. It was a whole lot slower for our hunter-gatherer forebears but, as the stats show, it sped up with the industrial revolution and is taking another leap in the technological revolution. Now there are many people like Richard who think technology can overcome the many huge problems we face in housing and feeding our burgeoning number. I say we're not doing that now, and haven't been for a very long time. There were starving children when I was a well-nourished one, and there are millions more of them now.
the powerful pay for science that denies it. It's a global act of self harm and they will attack those who fight them.
Well said!
We have more billionaires yet we have more crisis and poverty.
We have more of
everybody, don't we? I'm bewildered by people who get excited about another pregnancy, and expect to be congratulated for it. The most brainless species on the planet reproduces. It's just that we're the experts on use and abuse.
Ironically, I'm the one who's concerned about the future of the planet as we keep increasing our number, while my friend with four children appears to be happy as a sparrow all day long. You'd think it would be the other way round, wouldn't you?