Too much feelings of becoming relaxed necessary?

Postby Hypnoboy » Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:07 pm

There is a thing in hypnosis that I'm facing time after time. It's something that makes hypnosis a less powerfull tool.

Let me first explain that I understand that creating rapport with a subject is necessary. I find it quite hard to make rapport fast, but that's not what I indicate.

If you distinguish several types of hypnosis in a way of : what intention do you have with hypno? then maybe you can say 1) self hypnosis, 2) hypnotizing another.

Regarding self hypnosis, (but also hypno in general) I have the idea that certain feelings that are evoked are not working.
Emotions and feelings are kept in someone's memory, so when self hypnotizing (or a hypnotist) trying to evoke a feeling of wonderful beauty (near a palm beach with a longdrink) but you dont have this memory/feeling; then what to do? The result will always be less powerfull then for someone who lives there.

What I try to explain is that some feelings just don't work.

Besides that, listen and think carefully and long about this:

is it a goal in hypnosis to feel relaxed, calm and quiet?

Maybe to go into hypnosis, but then when you want to modify unwanted thoughts for a man, aren't other feelings way better, think about being more disciplined, become tougher, more willful and more rigid?
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Postby saladinsmith » Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:49 pm

Some people are just better at being hypnotized than other people are. I have the same problem. When a hypnotist suggests to me that I feel something, I don't really feel it. However, I've had many subjects who say that they do really feel it when I suggest something to them.

The more you do it, the easier it gets. I've also heard from people who said that a live session with a hypnotist was much more effective for them than self-hypnosis or a recording. Beyond that, there's not much that I can tell you, because I'm still having trouble with this myself.

And hypnosis doesn't have to make you calm and quiet. Tribal dances with drums and yelling are also a form of hypnosis. I've heard that some video games can have a hypnotic effect on particularly suggestible people.
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Postby TLM » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:06 am

Regarding self hypnosis, (but also hypno in general) I have the idea that certain feelings that are evoked are not working.
Emotions and feelings are kept in someone's memory, so when self hypnotizing (or a hypnotist) trying to evoke a feeling of wonderful beauty (near a palm beach with a longdrink) but you dont have this memory/feeling; then what to do? The result will always be less powerfull then for someone who lives there.


You got it. Access, elicit, what's already available. Your ambiguous cues, suggestions, can awaken the experience, revivify and enhance it.

An example: "Remember a time when you were taking a long walk. It is possible that at the beginning, when you decide to start strolling, it is a bit difficult and you feel a bit lazy. But after a while, surely you start feeling better. Remember that as time goes by and you continue walking, you start to feel clear minded and refreshed, and you enjoy walking more and more. To continue walking becomes easier. As you continue walking, you feel more refreshed and active, and there is a pleasant sensation throughout your body. It is possible that your breathing will be faster, considering that many muscles in your body are working, but it is not a worrisome breathing. It is, instead, a very pleasant breathing because you feel increasingly more energy as you continue strolling."

And if that's not a good example based on individual experience, the process of developing rapport will give you a number of ideas as to what might be a better scenario to revivify and enhance.


is it a goal in hypnosis to feel relaxed, calm and quiet?

Hyperemperia, active-alert hypnosis, alert hand... all those hypnotic techniques make good use of feelings other than relaxed, calm and quiet.

From Don Gibbons' "Hyperempiria for Cultural Enrichment" blog post:

"What I am about to tell you will multiply your enjoyment many times over. You will be able to follow it not only with your senses alone, but with your entire being. Just remain open to it and It will happen. Your emotional responsiveness will be considerably enhanced. All of your senses will suddenly begin to feel much keener, and the sights and sounds will dazzle you like fireworks. The music is going to feel exquisite: light, playful and soaring, and pleasurable beyond description. Dancing, swirling, leaping, and soaring. A wave of tones crashing and spraying upon the shoreline of the mind. You will feel the sea spray and taste and smell the unique taste of the ocean. You will especially enjoy the refreshing feel of the air around the salt water. The feeling of the immense force of the tide. The cooling of the sea spray as you feel it on your skin. The warmth of the sun as it replaces the coolness. When the musicians switch locations to the valley area, you will feel the lush soft green vital smell of the vegetation and earth is so profoundly evocative. The colors are incredible and feel very pleasurable to behold. The more keenly you feel these experiences, the more you are able to feel them. And the more you feel them, the more you want to feel them, and the more enjoyable they become. You will always remember this concert, even as you look forward to more exciting ones in the future. As you continue, you will develop an ever-increasing ability to experience life itself in a richer and more rewarding manner."
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Postby badox » Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:28 pm

Hi I'm new, I've been trying to get the hang of hypnosis.
But it keeps eluding me.
Tried the handshake and confusion techniques, with consent, yet I fail each time.

Can I please get some tips?

Kind Regards

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Postby saladinsmith » Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:21 pm

badox wrote:Hi I'm new, I've been trying to get the hang of hypnosis.
But it keeps eluding me.
Tried the handshake and confusion techniques, with consent, yet I fail each time.

Can I please get some tips?

Kind Regards

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I suggest you start with a conventional relaxation-based induction, and if it doesn't work with the subjects you try it on, try with new subjects. I went for years thinking that hypnotism was extremely difficult because I was only trying to hypnotize myself, and (I found out later) *I'm* extremely difficult. If your only subject is someone like me, you could end up thinking that this is much harder than it really is, so try with different people.
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Postby badox » Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:42 pm

saladinsmith wrote:
badox wrote:Hi I'm new, I've been trying to get the hang of hypnosis.
But it keeps eluding me.
Tried the handshake and confusion techniques, with consent, yet I fail each time.

Can I please get some tips?

Kind Regards

badox

I suggest you start with a conventional relaxation-based induction, and if it doesn't work with the subjects you try it on, try with new subjects. I went for years thinking that hypnotism was extremely difficult because I was only trying to hypnotize myself, and (I found out later) *I'm* extremely difficult. If your only subject is someone like me, you could end up thinking that this is much harder than it really is, so try with different people.


Thanks for the tip, I'll have to do some more research on the conventional inductions. :o
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