Rapid Inductions: read and post here

Thank you Ant, always trying to do something on my own and this forum helps with info and advice.
I thought of this, when thinking about the simplicity of hypnosis and the fact that hypnotist only provides the 'road' to trance.

So I've been trying the 8 word induction (even on my highly suggestible friends) but I just cant seem to get it to work. I think it might be because I'm not going into deepening quick enough. Should I have to go into it right after without wasting a millisecond (as if I were saying it like "Sleepjust let yourself go completely)? Basically my question is how much time do I have after I drop the hand and say sleep before I go into deepening?

Oh and one more question - Am I supposed to say sleep as I drop the hand or right after I drop the hand?

Hey all, I have a friend, who is to say mildly hyper suggestible. I have never failed to put him under, and he performs any routine given to him. So I try to use extremely rapid inductions on him... they can take less then 15 seconds!
Basically, if I talk to him, add the words sleep and relax he will fall under.
The other day I used a pendulum... after swinging it in front of him for 30 seconds, and with NO suggestions, he began to fall under.

We are extremely close friends, and he trusts me completely. Is this the reason these extremely rapid inductions work on him? David

innocent2005 wrote:We are extremely close friends, and he trusts me completely. Is this the reason these extremely rapid inductions work on him? David

No. Trust is welcome obviously, but many people report the toughest subjects for them are their close friends. Maybe this is because those friends will never think of you as The Hypnotist.

He goes under because he is a good subject. He has been hypnotised by you before and his expectation is that you are going to hypnotise him and your intention and expectation when you hypnotise him is that he will go. As you have discovered with the non verbal pendulum induction it is not the technique that is responsible for hypnosis it is the hypnotist. If you really want proof of that use your shoe as an impromptu pendulum.

Ant

Thanks for the speedy reply! As confidence is such a large part of hypnosis is it possible to put a good subject, who is confident in your and his own hypnotic ability under in any circumstance? From sitting in a noisy park, so sitting in afternoon traffic... even on a sinking ship?

To put the question more clearly... if the subject and hypnotist are both confident enough can any induction (no matter how badly worded and executed and no matter how distracting the environment) work? Thanks, David

The surrounding environment is only a problem for the subject if it is for the hypnotist. So use what is around you.

I personally believe that yes when the hypnotists expectation that hypnosis will ensue meets with the subjects expectation that this might happen then you have it.

Technique at that point is just a vehicle.

Ant

Hi Ant

Marc Hogan from www.persuasion-skills.co.uk here

The rapid induction gets alot of press and yes they are cool.

With rapid inductions as in any induction they can rely on expectation.

IE, I do rapid inductions at seminars - people know something is going to happen!

I've also hypnotised the public, with a camera crew behind me, again that creates the expectation.

However I have also walked up to total strangers and done it with no cameras etc

2 things happen

1) they go under, but wake up confused!

2) They dont go under and try to hit you!!

However

If you go up to a total stranger & you tell them you are a mind reader / hypnotist etc and then do the interrupt 95 - 99% of the time!

But

Why would you want to do this?

I've found its much easier simpler to use waking hypnosis techniques that will put people in a suggestible (trance) state!

Ok they wont cluck like a chicken. but how useful is that in a meeting or at an interview, or when you are chatting someone up?

I want them to go into a suggestible state so they are open and receptive to my words, so they want to buy my product / hire me / go out for a drink!

All the interrupt does is confuse people!

You can achieve very cool things without an interrupt!

I've got some video clips on my site which show some stuff, and there are also lots of free articals for your perusal!

Marc

Marc, I think that depends a little on the rapid induction, I would not think anyone would hit you if you where to lift their arm a little or jerk it. The hand-to-face instant induction on the other hand I would believe you could get a 50-50 reaction.

But expectation is a big thing, remember that YOU are really not hypnotizing them, they are doing it to them self. I have a online helping course, people send me emails with their problems, even though I am not a certified NLP practitioner I can solve their problem very easy by making them believe they will solve their problem by doing as I recommend. Funny enough I have solved every problem I have come across over, thanks to the expectation I have made them believe. It's not so much what you say, but what you make them believe.
As Paul Mckenna showed us a little time ago when he put subliminal stress tapes in a spa clinic and told them that they where for relaxation, almost everyone reported deep relaxation from the 'stress-tapes'.

Marc,

thanks for the tips and links, you have some great resources on your site.

It was actually some similar advice you gave me some time back that encouraged me to get out on the street and do some unnanounced rapid inductions, rather than just doing them in the comfort of a therapy situation or training course. I found the hit rate was as high as you suggested.

Ant

This is not unknown but here is what we are talking about expectation, http://www.filecabi.net/video/k7X46kYr.html

ulv wrote:But expectation is a big thing, remember that YOU are really not hypnotizing them, they are doing it to them self.

The jury's out on that one. I don't think it's a particularly useful belief, however, because if THEY do the hypnotising then it may seem logical to try to persuade people to go into a trance, rather than hypnotising them. You need belief that you'll zap them (plus technique) and then they'll go.

Kev

question for Anthony, times when i have tested friends using the falling backward i was curious whether you think a sleep thrown in as your friend falls would induce hypnosis because when doing this test i find it has a lot of impact and as you have written before, see your opening.
I usually get a contract and two test before that. I was reading previous pages and read that one about the stage hypnotist doing an induction where he caught and laid his volunteers down in a rapid induction. thanks.

Reggie,

definately use the word sleep as they fall.

Not quite sure if you are talking about the postural sway technqiue (which results in them falling) or what I call the faling backwards induction that happens on the count of three.

Once I had done the falling backwards and given a few words of deepening I ould typically lift up one of their arms and expect it to be cataleptic. Whether it is or not I would then suggest it gets stiff. I would thensay on the count f three it will become completely relaxed and drop to the floor as they go even more profoundly into hypnosis/deeper asleep etc.

But yes indeed, use the word sleep.

Ant

kevsheldrake wrote:

ulv wrote:But expectation is a big thing, remember that YOU are really not hypnotizing them, they are doing it to them self.

The jury's out on that one. I don't think it's a particularly useful belief, however, because if THEY do the hypnotising then it may seem logical to try to persuade people to go into a trance, rather than hypnotising them. You need belief that you'll zap them (plus technique) and then they'll go.

Kev

But it is the truth, and in the manner that you are just manipulating the brain to do things in your favor, like rapid inductions.

Ulv,

If I was to walk up to you an bang you into hypnosis without announcing my intention to do so how is it that you 'do it to your self'?

Ant