When quitting Marijuana, why is it that you feel better...

Postby shadow35 » Thu May 22, 2008 5:17 pm

I was just wondering, why was it that I probably felt sharper and more motivated during the first week than I do now on week 9?

That first week, my vocabulary exploded and especially my ability to socialise. My memory also became crystal clear as did my thoughts in general.

However now at week 9, I struggle to hold a conversation with people, I am unable to focus when I read (or need to re-read the same paragraph over), and in general feel really lethargic and tired (though no longer depressed).

I am taking a number of traditional chinese medicine and ayurvedic herbal remedies. Milk thistle to detox the liver too. I am vegetarian so I get at least 7+ servings of fruit and veg daily (including spinach, broccoli and tomatoes daily) and have also started taking organic Spirulina as often as possible.

I don't indulge in caffeine, alcohol, pharmaceuticals or even sugar.
I train daily with both soft styles (tai chi etc) and hard styles (body weight exercises). Although I am still really underweight with a bmi of 16.5-17.

Where am I going wrong?

On a side note, I used to use the volcano. I reasoned thus:

If marijuana is like 10% thc (for eg) and a spliff (combusting the mj) is only like 50% effective, then the smoker get 5% thc per toke/spliff. However, if a Volcano is really 95% thc, then it's the equivalent of 19 spliffs per session (assuming equal amount of weed vaped as goes in a spliff)!


So have I really messed myself up by using my volcano excessively daily for 2 years (and another vaporizer for 8months prior to that) when I am an emaciated individual?
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Postby shadow35 » Thu May 22, 2008 7:44 pm

ok maybe I spoke too soon. Now I am feeling down and depressed too. Maybe I am just tired and need to sleep early.

Quitting tv/movies/shows etc simultaneously is probably making it difficult too.
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Postby John no longer Blaze » Thu May 22, 2008 10:45 pm

I understand totally what you're saying. Look at my 53 days post. I felt much better in my 6th week than I do now which is my 8th week. I can't really explain it. This is definitely the longest I've gone in prolly over 5 years. I guess the war is not yet finished. my concentration has been worse these last couple of weeks and have been lethargic. I have to force myself to do things now which isn't too bad but still I would have hoped that I would have been past that. Maybe this is the final battle
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Postby gts167 » Fri May 23, 2008 3:45 am

Quite possibly part of the natural ups and downs of life.... at the moment you are down a tad, and still not fully used to dealing with that other than hitting the bong.

Also.... you sound like you're stressing yourself out trying too hard to detox/get healthy again. Let it go. Eat well and all of that..... but you can overdo it.
If you genuinely enjoy all of these things fine, but it's possible you're stressing yourself out and not realising it may be better to take a break from some of detox/exercise regimes for a week or two. Enjoy life.
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Postby shadow35 » Fri May 23, 2008 9:40 am

@ gts167
Maybe you are right about having to deal with things without being able to hit the VAPE! (not bong!!!). I used to especially like how the vape would give me insights and solutions to problems (though more often than not, it robbed me of the motivation etc to follow through on them...although this could just be my lazy personality augmenting MJs amotivational effects).

Although I train daily, I keep it light so my body very rarely aches the next day, and I instead get slow yet steady gains. Also, I find that if i don't train for a few days, my gains quickly disappear and I start looking like a skinny zombie (more than usual that is).
Still, maybe I need to mentally take a break (as you suggest) and stop worrying so much. Just let it be, and whatever negatives (physical, mental, social, etc) I perceive in myself, I can put it down to life's ups and downs.

I don't want to cut the herbs out since these holistic remedies work better over time, and I have only been using them for 2-4 weeks. A lot of these general tonics have a gradual effect on the body/psyche etc


@John no longer Blaze
I read your thread with interest seeing some similarities to how I am feeling at the moment. Since it's occuring at roughly the same time as your problems, perhaps it is just another stage (perhaps even the final one as you postulate) in the road to detoxing from the herb.



Still, today I started living my ideal lifestyle a bit more thoroughly and I am feeling somewhat sharper as well as more positive. I am also back at my job today and that is also making me feel good (even though it's boring, it feels good being at work, challanging the mind with figures/calculations, earning money :) etc).
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Postby John no longer Blaze » Fri May 23, 2008 4:50 pm

but I've read some of your posts and you aren't as far along as we are so youdon't really understand where we're at. It's hard to take advice from you, especially someone who's relapsed and sounds overconfident over his ability to quit. Overconfidence in not being addicted and tendency to play down addiction is another characteristic of true potheads. I was definitely there a couple times and I was all preachy so I'm not being judgemental at all I just want to help him. When you get to his time I think you can better understand where he's at. Ups and downs are one thing but he's doin everything right and his feeling of lethargy I definitely share. Once again no offense.

On another note my lethargy is definitely going away if not gone at all. Keep it up Shadow.
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Postby shadow35 » Fri May 23, 2008 6:21 pm

John no longer Blaze wrote:I just want to help him. When you get to his time I think you can better understand where he's at. Ups and downs are one thing but he's doin everything right and his feeling of lethargy I definitely share. Once again no offense.

On another note my lethargy is definitely going away if not gone at all. Keep it up Shadow.



Thanks for the words of encouragement John. It's nice to know that the lethargy has receded in your case. Did you make any lifestyle changes that facilitated this? Or did it just happen?

I was just speaking with someone from another forum who mentioned that for him, even in his 8th month clean he was noticing gains on a daily basis with regards to mental acuity, clarity etc. So perhaps this is just a temporary plateau/battle, after which the gains start kicking in again.

I've been going round thinking I am now 9 weeks off mj, and it only just kicked in that that's equal to 63 days!

In the 18months I've been reading this forum and trying to quit/moderate, I've read about people quitting for 40+ days, and never thought I would even be at that stage. Although, I also recall people raving at the 40-50day mark. I should have set my sights a bit higher and perhaps have seen people talking about problems after the 50day mark (or perhaps not, each person is unique...perhaps John and I are in a minority for people experiencing/perceiving the lethargy after 50days).
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Postby andycap10 » Sat May 24, 2008 12:41 am

I too felt better during the first 3 weeks then during week 4 and into week 5. I am feeling better now, and basically smoking pot just repressed personal failures(events that i am not proud of), and now that i am smoke free, those events are entering my thoughts. It is a good thing. I now look at life differently, and understand that no drug, script or street, is good for the mind. I would like to hear anyone elses story about quitting and wether the symptoms returned after they disappeared.
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Postby HDog455 » Sat May 24, 2008 1:32 am

This is a very interesting thread which I think highlights just how different we all are when it comes to the challenges, both mental and physical, of quitting weed. OK - there are the common symptoms like anxiety and sleeping difficulties but they only scratch the surface of what is a very complex and somewhat under-researched topic.

It's really great that a lot of people at various stages in their quests to quit are putting in the effort to document their experiences and freely offering support and advice. Let's not argue about who is more qualified to contribute based on how long they have abstained from smoking pot.

In terms of withdrawl everyone is different based on things like how much and how often they used as well as their particular body chemistries and mental states. Someone who has only been weed free for a couple of days might have some valuable input which helps someone else who is still struggling after a few months. Just let it all flow folks, keep up the banter and above all, STAY OFF THE POT !!
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Postby andycap10 » Sat May 24, 2008 4:56 pm

I agree with the above post very much. This is a place of sharing our own feelings about quitting, not about who may be more qualified to advise others. The benefit of hearing other people going threw the same things as one another can in itself be of great importance.

I personally quit pot during a time when i was in a very stressful environment. My girlfrind and I had to live in a basement apartment and my dad (who lived upstairs) was going threw a rough divorce. The reality of the stress i was feeling wasnt as dominate while i was smoking pot, but now that i am pot free I had to rediscover my true self, and rediscover how to deal with things in a logic and fair manner.

The stresses of life seem to deminish when smoking pot, which is 100% negative. That is why this plant is so wrong in so many ways...While it is better then what other drugs would do to you, it still has serious negative impacts in all users. Some people are blinded by the marijuana, and think that it is helping them "Cope" when all it does is mask reality. The longer you smoke the deeping the hole your digging. STAY OFF THE POT AND NEVER GO BACK. LIFE IS ENOUGH OF A HIGH!
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Postby superfly » Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:21 am

First, let me introduce myself, i'm a 35 year old smoker, who has quit several times without much of a problem, maybe just some insomnia the first couple of days, but that wears off.

I read a lot of things here i can agree with, a lot i can't.

Weed isn't the problem for most, it's not dealing with problems that's the problem, but in my experience there are lots of people who don't deal with problems and DON'T do drugs and a lot of succesful people who deal with life's problems and DO do drugs, some i think it's more a state of mind and a personalitytype kinda thing.

For the moment i don't somke and feel ok, but throughout the years that i've smoked i've felt ok too.

I have felt bad while smoking, bad while not smoking.

In my opinion it's all a mind thing, addiction is in a person, not in a plant/product.

The weed doesn't make your thought negative/positive, you make your thoughts negative/positive, life is too complicated to focus all your problems on the fact you smoke weed.

People who quit 2 moths ago and say they still are withdrawing are putting the blame once again on a product they don't even use any more.

So, forget about weed and try to tackle whatever is bothering you.

You can't be in withdrawal from weed after 2 months quitting.

Sorry bout my english, i am actually dutch speaking
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Postby Aenima » Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:49 pm

Hello everyone.

You said that you are quitting Quitting tv/movies/shows... why are you doing this? dont get me wrong please, I only want to know about that.
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Postby John no longer Blaze » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:06 am

Shadow, how you doin?
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Postby shadow35 » Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:47 pm

John no longer Blaze wrote:Shadow, how you doin?


I'm not doing too bad. I'm getting close to week 12 now. Next week will be 3months off. To be honest, I had a neck injury about 2 weeks ago which kind of messed up my lifestyle, but it has also made me appreciate where I was before (even though I was moaning at the time that I hadn't come as far as I would like).

I still feel lethargic but I don't know if this is due to weed detox, or because I did little or no exercise for the last 2 weeks. Still, I am slowly getting back into my body weight exercises which is making me feel good.

Once I get a fixed routine/lifestyle I am happier with, then I will be more able to evaluate how I am feeling.

How are things going for you? I know you said before that your lethargy was gradually dissipating. Is this still the case?


Aenima wrote:
Hello everyone.

You said that you are quitting Quitting tv/movies/shows... why are you doing this? dont get me wrong please, I only want to know about that.


Hi Aenima, I am quitting that because I just don't want it to be a part of my lifestyle any more.
Also, while quitting mj, I have the tendency to latch onto things too easily as a form of escapism/new form of addiction, and I am pretty sure tv/movies/shows etc would do that to me.

I would rather find constructive things to latch on to :)
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Postby Ryan24 » Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:19 pm

Hey shadow, I have been reading your posts and just wanted to give you some support. The only advice I can offer is to keep going because your problem is most likely due to the cycles of life. Sometimes you feel great, others you wont. Just remember if you relapse, you may not get to have the "feel great" times in your life.

-Ryan
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