The danger of unsupervised therapy

#30

Postby Herbie306 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:10 am

Candid wrote:By "serious" you mean truthful, right?

The first time you replied to my answer, you implied you wanted to go back to the counting thread. I do not see this as a serious reply. I may not be an English teacher, but I felt the word 'serious' to be more appropriate than 'truthful' in the given context.

I explained to you I had requested therapy. I have enough self awareness to know my own issues and will deal with them when the opportunity arises. I informed them of these issues some months ago.

I don't see other people as uncaring: I see myself as tainted. When they leave and say "I won't be in touch etc etc etc", I think "You're best out of it."

If you know anything about Transactional Analysis, then this is how a therapist might see it:
My Adult believed you when you said you were busy.
My Hurt Child believed this was a round-about way of saying she is bad; she has done something wrong and you are going to sit here and make her stew until you decide to tell her what it is she has done wrong.

When I kicked off the first time, my Hurt Child needed to hear something from you e.g. 'I AM very busy, it isn't your fault, but there are some important things I need to do'. When she didn't hear anything, she started expecting the worst and everything snowballed.

That's it in a nutshell as far as I see it. Things may have got worse after I started doing the inner-child work you suggested, then, as you say, you got busier and we were both left in a difficult place.

I appreciate your honesty within your post. I needed to hear that from you. Thank you.
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Postby Candid » Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:51 pm

The first time you replied to my answer, you implied you wanted to go back to the counting thread.
No, not really. It was great fun at the time, though. I hoped we might be back to the spirit of it, without all this angst.

Is there a Parent in your TA repertoire? She would be handy to have on board.
My Hurt Child believed this was a round-about way of saying she is bad; she has done something wrong and you are going to sit here and make her stew until you decide to tell her what it is she has done wrong.
I knew that. What could I have done about it? I could either tell you you'd done something wrong, or reassure you you hadn't. The first was untenable and the second wasn't believed. I repeat, if you're like that with other people I'm not surprised they leave.
my Hurt Child needed to hear something from you e.g. 'I AM very busy, it isn't your fault, but there are some important things I need to do'. When she didn't hear anything...
Did you kill off the PMs when you decided I'd been messing you about? From my sentbox:

Feb 23: I have a lighter presence on the forum these days because I'm snowed under.

May 15: Herbie, I haven't blanked you. I've replied to every one of your messages. If I can't continue spending hours on a PM, does that wipe out everything you and I have shared? Suddenly I'm the bad guy?

May 19: I can only repeat that my time is limited, I have other things that have to be done or I start falling down.

and finally:

June 17: I'm fine, thanks, just being choosy about what I respond to on the open forum. It's 100 per cent about other calls on my time.

I appreciate your honesty within your post. I needed to hear that from you.
Then this thread has served its purpose.
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#32

Postby Herbie306 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:41 pm

Candid wrote:I hoped we might be back to the spirit of it, without all this angst.

That would be nice if it were possible.

Is there a Parent in your TA repertoire? She would be handy to have on board.

Yes, a critical one :roll: though I'm working on sorting that. In any case, this thread isn't about helping me.

I knew that [re hurt child]. What could I have done about it? I could either tell you you'd done something wrong, or reassure you you hadn't. The first was untenable and the second wasn't believed.

Mmm, it seems you have a point there... :oops:

I repeat, if you're like that with other people I'm not surprised they leave.

I'm not surprised either.

Did you kill off the PMs when you decided I'd been messing you about?

I didn't decide you were messing me about.
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Postby Candid » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:16 pm

CANDID: I hoped we might be back to the spirit of it, without all this angst.
HERBIE306: That would be nice if it were possible.

I feel the same way about you as I always have. If we can't move on from this it's because of your choice to perceive me as having "ranted" and used you as a "punch bag" in this thread, as well as all the "abandoning" and "disappearing" that preceded it.

This isn't really about you and me, it's about you and you. Your focus on this latest "abandonment" and "nastiness" may be a way of working something out, but it can equally be a way of distracting yourself from the real issues.

I'm not going to ask you to believe me. You've made your own decision based on all of our interactions so far, and I support that decision. It's best that we each stick to our perceptions of the other; otherwise we're just pressing the same buttons and hoping to get a different response, which is a mug's game.
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Postby Herbie306 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:16 pm

Candid wrote:CANDID: I hoped we might be back to the spirit of it, without all this angst.
HERBIE306: That would be nice if it were possible.

I feel the same way about you as I always have. If we can't move on from this it's because of your choice to perceive me as having "ranted" and used you as a "punch bag" in this thread, as well as all the "abandoning" and "disappearing" that preceded it.

I wasn't saying it isn't possible. I was saying I'd like it to be, but I don't know where to go from here.

You were right when you said I wasn't trusting you. I wasn't trusting anyone and I was getting bitter in the process.

As much as I didn't like being told at the time, I appreciate that the nicely nicely approach didn't work with me - I realise that I needed to see sense and, as I said the other day, I'm grateful to you for getting through to me.

This isn't really about you and me, it's about you and you. Your focus on this latest "abandonment" and "nastiness" may be a way of working something out, but it can equally be a way of distracting yourself from the real issues.

I don't know how to interpret this.

As I've said, I'm aware I needed to wake up and see sense.

I am dealing with the real issues - some of it I'm currently sorting and the rest I will work through in therapy.

I'm not going to ask you to believe me.

You don't need to because I do.
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Postby Herbie306 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:43 am

I recently stumbled across this link and thought it might be helpful for anyone reading this thread. http://www.pods-online.org.uk/riskofrescuing.html
Candid, it went some way into helping me to understand the kind of pressure I was inadvertently putting on you.
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