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CandyApples wrote: I think its a novel idea, I enjoy its meaning.

I've seen it...can't remember how many years ago.

What do you think is the meaning and why do you consider it a novel idea?

Oh I would love to hear your feedback if you do remember it at some point. The movie to me amazes me, just the idea of it, I find , well like no other movie that I know of.

I dont want to give it away, but--the head leaders and their perseverance of innocence and why they did what they did and the background behind each of their story, and how that society existed amongst the bigger society out there...

a place that the rest of the world could not touch....you see the good deed with the ranger, but over all the headspeople would keep their town a secret still, even though they know the truth because of all the things out there that just...didnt it seem to you such a better way? Maybe not to that extreme, but did you see the difference at all?

(trying not to spoil it)

CandyApples wrote:(trying not to spoil it)

If you want to discuss why a particular cake is your favorite then you have to share the ingredients. If you want to discuss a movie and what you believe it means and why it is novel then spoilers are part of the deal.

CandyApples wrote:...a place that the rest of the world could not touch....you see the good deed with the ranger, but over all the headspeople would keep their town a secret still, even though they know the truth because of all the things out there that just...didnt it seem to you such a better way? Maybe not to that extreme, but did you see the difference at all?

What I saw was a very ancient story that has been repeated over and over throughout the centuries. There is the known, the familiar (the town) and the unknown, the scary (the woods). The hero...as always...must step outside of the known to confront the dragon, to confront the scary unknown. In this case the dragon is the creatures in the woods. Not, in my opinion, very novel.

The hero is the one to step into the woods, challenging the unknown, getting the metaphorical gold or reward and then returning to the comfort of the known to share the wisdom they have gained.

It is a very common theme in movies and stories since the Epic of Gilgamesh.

The town in the movie...the headspeople are...as in all other versions of this same theme, ignorant and afraid of the unknown. They promote fear of the woods, of the unknown. So in this sense, no...I don't think it is a good way to be. It takes a hero to break away from the known and to venture out into the unknown, to challenge what the headspeople have been promoting as truth.

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:The hero is the one to step into the woods, challenging the unknown, getting the metaphorical gold or reward and then returning to the comfort of the known to share the wisdom they have gained.

Excellent.

Hey, CandyApples, how about checking out the Hero's Journey as presented here by John Rose?

I DARE YOU . . . with love.

Wow, I actually liked how you wrote Richard, I had a slight notion of Lord of the Rings, I can see you as a hero in a adventure novel. Just because you are passionate, you may get annoyed with me on here per say but some of the stuff you write is raw and deep, wether any one likes it or not. Thats good. Most heros have that persona then theres the one guy in black that travels on his own, normally he has a scar or something, that is also a form of good, but cynical and is often a side character. (me? lol joking). One battle, different approaches in those movies.

Your outlook on the movie is one I didnt see coming. I suppose very much one could view it that way, which is good bc I did want to know what you thought. That gives insight on how you are, well a little bit more insight, which makes your responses to me a little more, well I can see why you write what you do.

I saw in the movie the leaders not being scared at all or ignorant, but tired and broken and yet, very kind and loving where they just wanted innocence and a world were they could protect themselves and their children, and just play in the fields, etc.
One could pin point the atributes of the towns people and compare and contrast them to the very world they were hidden from. My bet is the townspeople just...how to say this..less toxic? I would live in the little hidden woods world if I knew there was one. I would want to let my kiddo play outside without intense motion that the odds of her getting hit or picked up by the many ex cons on this road making things tense. Since of community for one goal, fathers and mothers in one area with family balance, the kids standing on a log with their back to the woods as a game vs snap chat at grand theft auto for example.

I wanted to add, the people in the world outside of the town, had more to worry about even subconsciously. The realities of them being robbed, in a car accident, raped, shot at, etc are statically way way less then the towns people. The towns people really took those odds, those real daily fears and occurrences in general, and cut it down. The town never saw such things until (oh I forget his name now, had blood on his hands). It showed you cant truly hide from it, but it does narrow down the odds of it happening.

Hi Quiet Voice, I will do so if you could give me until Thursday I will go ahead and watch the youtube and see what it is about. ( Today is hubbys bday so Im doing a dinner, and tomorrow I go see my aunt then have a docs appt at 530 then some at home wrk for docs office after). Turning hell into a paradise is most certainly possible.

For some reason this just made me think of the movie What Dreams May Come. Im not sure of the relevance but it just popped in my head.

Hi Quiet Voice,
John Rose has alot on his youtube channel, so there as alot to go through, I couldnt find the heros Jounrey but I did find a video called The Most Important things on the Heros Journey. First, this man is fit, good for him. He seems very intelligent. I will admit, I made it half way through though because when he said all of our problems are what we put in our mouth...it kinda lost me. He also was saying he doesnt understand how ppl know they are what they eat yet they eat bad. I think, atleast for me, I get over all how food affects us. The reason why I can not eat pure/clean all the time is affordability and sustainablility. Healthy food , organic food, is simply most expensive. Almost double in price at times. Then they spoil way faster in a matter of days, so you need to shop again and again and again. And...junk food, has been known to have a chemical that actually makes your brain addicted. And, I feel healthier foods could taste better, but the junk food gets added fake flavor to make it more eatable. (not sure if this is the right video)

Then I found another video by a different guy called What is the Heros Journey. He spoke of stories and patterns of humans and how they fear and desire the same things. what you see when you watch a movie for example is your own hopes and fears, etc.....I get this logic....def know we self project into everything, my thing I dont think thats my issue per say, like hmm (it says we are the hero of our own journey) ofcourse, I believe that, we ultimatly have the final say in being happy or not. But..you cant be a hero if your in the castle prision double chained....gotta have resources to get you out. Or like the movie Braveheart, I think his guys could of saved him, he could of escaped but he didnt, he was just sooo over it and really grief struck that he gave up. I mean he freed alot of people, but at the end he kinda...resigned. Sometimes heros just....get tired.....and their heart is breaks beyond repair. Now I know I dont want that, but I do think its more than mind frame that will help towards happiness. Like you cant keep getting stabbed by a needle and try in your mind to think its a puppy dog kiss.....

I think if the second video is correct, I get what your saying though. My "hero" was my dad, and while he was my hero I didnt worry about too much. Now hes gone and now its my turn to battle on my own....and its ..alot..I know I gotta buck up but ----just alot that doesnt make it so immediatly easy.

ps i didnt click on the link offered as I dont trust links ha so I tried to google. (many viruses in past)

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The essence of the Hero's Journey goes as such:

By definition, a Hero is a person that can Solve a Problem or Problems that no one else can Solve and since most of our Problems are Self-Inflicted, that means that each and every one of us are our own Heroes because no one else can Correct the Mistakes that we are making except ourselves.

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Hint: hover over a link, and then (on a PC, at least) in the lower left corner you'll find the link location. This particular link is to his YouTube channel; most of my links are to something on YouTube.

CandyApples wrote:Healthy food . . . is simply most expensive.

Define "Healthy food".

John Rose home page on his YouTube channel, as originally posted by me.

Hi Quietvoice,
Thank you so much for the link tip, I didnt know that and will remember that from now on. I did give the video and what you are trying to say more thought. I had to think at first the attributes I missed about my dad and to name a few some of the things I missed the most is --his stories and sense of adventure. The man was early 60's and he still could go out for ice cream at night, and that would turn into all of us looking up at the stars and talking about aliens for example (silly stuff like that) or how we could go look for sharks teeth at the beach and it would turn into tales of "imagine if we found treasure" and talks of one day owning a island, etc. It just did my soul so good. The times I'd call him to vent, the times he wouldnt try to fix me but he would just let me talk, and then would just talk back, with no "you should" just..two people just talking and venting. It felt nice. Then there were times he'd give me advice, or drop everything if I broke down for example. Just having that person in your corner that if the world were to catch on fire, you know that person would come and make sure you were ok. So I take those very few examples, (have so many more, deeper ones etc) and I wonder...how does this fit into the hero topic.

I dont know. I dont know how to get those attributes into myself without being how I am now, guarded and easily daydreamy. I do not know how I can correct mistakes as the one thing I wish I could do over again more than anything cant happen bc there is no time machine readily available. One could just make sure things we regret are not repeated. Iam trying to do that.

As far as healthy foods, I would say your basics like certain fruits and veggies, beans, salads, labled organic, farm to table type stuff. Example Richards Whole Foods vs Winn Dixie. Even the smoothies I enjoy atleast 10 bucks a smoothie. If you make it at home, your buying lots of fruits and veggies that add up and go bad so quickly. My banannas I never make it through I get maybe 3 in my belly before the rest are rotten. Rice for example has arsneic, so you gotta be careful of even the seemingly harmless food. Look at sodium content too...everything seems tainted at some point. My goal this month is to join Daily Harvest. I think that will help very very much. For 100 bucks roughly , I get 24 healthy smoothies. Figured 1-2 a day meal replacement would do my body good.

CandyApples wrote:I do not know how I can correct mistakes . . .

The Hero's Journey that I speak of is specifically as John presents on his YouTube channel. So, you'll have to explore his channel if you want to know what he is talking about. He includes recommended links to other videos of his in the description box of every video.

quietvoice wrote:

CandyApples wrote:I do not know how I can correct mistakes . . .

The Hero's Journey that I speak of is specifically as John presents on his YouTube channel. So, you'll have to explore his channel if you want to know what he is talking about. He includes recommended links to other videos of his in the description box of every video.

Going now from memory . . .to what mistakes is he referring?

He goes into the five mistakes that mankind makes with regard to food.

What is it that each individual needs in order to live in harmony with this reality on Earth?

Each individual needs the knowledge of "how to live".

John presents a way for Modern Man to obtain this knowledge each for himself through a process that takes into account the five mistakes.

On this Journey, one will come to a "light bulb moment" in regard to how to live.

Remember that you can find the links to the recommended videos in the description box of each of his videos.