Hi, im Alex from Spain. for the firs time in long time i think im in the right place as i have been reading posts of other people about PAWS and related issues, also i see people having the same synthoms as me (tinitus, fatigue, impairment...).
Lets go with my history, see if somebody has same problem:
7 Months ago i was in Cambodia, working as a digital nomad. I had a problem with a scammer and somehow this guy managed to give me an overdose on meth as a revenge. Was only the second time in my life i tryed meth and i took a looooooot, maybe around more than 1 holle gram for myself. I did nit know about drugs too much so the guy took advantage and made his revenge i guess he wanted to kill me ( he was not Cambodian by the way he was from Yemen but who cares ). His fault? I recognize is my fault as i did not know anything about drugs and i go with him to take a lot of 1 of the worst drugs in the world. Anyway i did it, is done, i smoked from the pipe and he was turning on the lighter in a shity corner in Phon Penh Cambodia.
I took me 1 week to recover from that but the i was ok for 1 week. And then about a month later strange synthomps start to happen: wet eyes, fatigue, poor concentration, some memory problems, constipation, red eyes... i was very worried and i thought it was Coronavirus... So 1 month later i got drunk as i was very tired of this situation and stressed: then i waked up with tinnitus, much more fatigue, mental impairment, red eyes, no concentration, no memory, strange effect in my eyes and ears, i was going crazy: then i realized i could not even work animore as a progrmmer as even the daily things turned hard to so. I was feeling i was going to die so i left 2 days later to Spain.
For the first time in a lot of years i came back to mama house. Then in Spain i went to doctor, as soon as posible i dis a Tac and Rmn in my head: all ok. I was very chock as i was expecting to have some stroke or similar: nothing; clear.
I did more blood testing and other tests and only a small memory test showed doctor that i was havingxsome small issuexwith memory but nothing else. So i felt very frustrated, i was having around 15 symthomps and nothing is happening.
The only thing i could do is read about meth in Internet/ i found that tinitus was common symthomp also fatigue and mental impairment and others. But the doctors in Spain keep telling me i had nothing. At least my family knows me and they know im somwhere "ill".
After reading a lot to know what going on i found PAWS. Now i think i may hage Paws as i had a meth overdose that my body was not ready for that amount of meth. Then i survived this overdose but im going throught long term side effects in my brain and body of Meth overdose. I hoppe this is it and i dont have a traumatic brain injury... wich last forever.
In my case what do you think? I am going trought Paws?
May i have/had a TBI ?
May i recover 1 day ? Now is been 7 months with very litle progress, mental impairment, fatigue, anhedonia, tringling in hands and feet, no concentration, no short memory, my back is curved as im all the time tired, i dont have energy for anithing and tinnitus is killing me. I can not work and my family is asking what the hell im going to do with my life. Is also more dificult for me taking care of myself,even take a shower is not that easy and i dont know why but not as good as before taking care of my self-image.
Of course i did not take anymore drugs/ alcohol for all this period (7 months).
If somebody had a similar experience i would be happy to share it.
Also im waiting your comments please: here in Granada Spain nobody know about Paws or similar...
Thanks a lot and have a good recovery time.
Is this PAWS after meth overdose?
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by Richard@DecisionSkills » Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:57 pm
AlexMulti wrote:May i recover 1 day ? Now is been 7 months with very litle progress, mental impairment, fatigue, anhedonia, tringling in hands and feet, no concentration, no short memory, my back is curved as im all the time tired, i dont have energy for anithing and tinnitus is killing me. I can not work and my family is asking what the hell im going to do with my life. Is also more dificult for me taking care of myself,even take a shower is not that easy and i dont know why but not as good as before taking care of my self-image.
My advice is to find a good rehabilitation center. Stay there until you heal, or as long as you can.
The reason, is because there is no way to know what all is causing your symptoms. You think it was a meth overdose. But, whatever you ingested could have been laced with any number of chemicals. In addition, your physical condition (curved back) and home environment may contribute to some of the symptoms.
Going to a rehabilitation center isolates you. It allows professionals to work with you to help isolate causes and develop a treatment plan.
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by tokeless » Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:48 pm
Was only the second time in my life i tryed meth and i took a looooooot, maybe around more than 1 holle gram for myself.
Doubtful at best. When you first tried it you were fine? You may not know the weight but you can see the amount.... when you sprinkle salt on your food or sugar in drinks, do you measure it or go by eye? You knew it was a lot.
I did nit know about drugs too much so the guy took advantage and made his revenge i guess he wanted to kill me ( he was not Cambodian by the way he was from Yemen but who cares ). His fault?
I appreciate English may not be your first language but this is embellishment. You knew what meth was, you sensed at least it was a lot, but you still took it. How is that his fault? Am I fat because the girl in Macdonald's serves me what I ask for? Denial in spades.
I recognize is my fault as i did not know anything about drugs and i go with him to take a lot of 1 of the worst drugs in the world. Anyway i did it, is done, i smoked from the pipe and he was turning on the lighter in a shity corner in Phon Penh.
You started well and then returned to denial. You are right in that it's done, but to not happen again, you really need to own your decisions and choices, because your blaming a drug user/dealer for 'making you' go with him and smoke crystal meth. He even gave you a good deal, because if he wanted you dead he could have just beaten you to death or stabbed you... You went with him to use is what it reads like to me.. opportunistic perhaps, but you knew what you were doing my friend. That makes it not his fault and the result of your actions.
Best wishes
Doubtful at best. When you first tried it you were fine? You may not know the weight but you can see the amount.... when you sprinkle salt on your food or sugar in drinks, do you measure it or go by eye? You knew it was a lot.
I did nit know about drugs too much so the guy took advantage and made his revenge i guess he wanted to kill me ( he was not Cambodian by the way he was from Yemen but who cares ). His fault?
I appreciate English may not be your first language but this is embellishment. You knew what meth was, you sensed at least it was a lot, but you still took it. How is that his fault? Am I fat because the girl in Macdonald's serves me what I ask for? Denial in spades.
I recognize is my fault as i did not know anything about drugs and i go with him to take a lot of 1 of the worst drugs in the world. Anyway i did it, is done, i smoked from the pipe and he was turning on the lighter in a shity corner in Phon Penh.
You started well and then returned to denial. You are right in that it's done, but to not happen again, you really need to own your decisions and choices, because your blaming a drug user/dealer for 'making you' go with him and smoke crystal meth. He even gave you a good deal, because if he wanted you dead he could have just beaten you to death or stabbed you... You went with him to use is what it reads like to me.. opportunistic perhaps, but you knew what you were doing my friend. That makes it not his fault and the result of your actions.
Best wishes
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by AlexMulti » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:14 am
Thanks for your replys, really thanks for your help.
Yes, i know at the end is the result of my actions ( i had to not even try that meh) . This is clear and now is too late. Aniway i ask myself if all these symthoms can came for a single but very large dose of meth? Is amazing, even 7 months later there is not too much i can do, no memory, no clear thinking, constant tinnitus on the 2 ears, always very tired, no libido, can't plan anything in my head as before, i get lost sometimes in my own neightbourhood, i'm having constipation, my hair is becaming white and caming down suddenly... is just like a nightmare. I have to say i was so energetic before full of power and energy all the time: now im jutst the contrary. And one of the worst things is that i can not work in m own Internet programmer job anymore.
I ask myself if this is PAWS from meth and how long is gonna get. But about the past, you are righ, is my fault and nothing else i can do to change it, i don'y have time machine yet.
Yes, i know at the end is the result of my actions ( i had to not even try that meh) . This is clear and now is too late. Aniway i ask myself if all these symthoms can came for a single but very large dose of meth? Is amazing, even 7 months later there is not too much i can do, no memory, no clear thinking, constant tinnitus on the 2 ears, always very tired, no libido, can't plan anything in my head as before, i get lost sometimes in my own neightbourhood, i'm having constipation, my hair is becaming white and caming down suddenly... is just like a nightmare. I have to say i was so energetic before full of power and energy all the time: now im jutst the contrary. And one of the worst things is that i can not work in m own Internet programmer job anymore.
I ask myself if this is PAWS from meth and how long is gonna get. But about the past, you are righ, is my fault and nothing else i can do to change it, i don'y have time machine yet.
by Richard@DecisionSkills » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:47 pm
Chronic stress.
This seems to be fairly common when a person believes that they may have permanently screwed up their health.
Let’s say you have a person constantly hunched over a computer, staring at a screen, with headphones on. They don’t get much exercise, sitting way too much, and they don’t eat very healthy. They drink alcohol and recreational drugs. One day, this person does a heavy dose of a strong drug and has a negative reaction.
The person begins to think, “What happened, did I just screw up my health?”
The chemicals in the drug leave the body of the person over a period of a few weeks, via urine, sweat, etc. But, by then the person has been so stressed out about what they may have done to their health they begin to notice everything. They begin to notice tinnitus, or their jaw is aching. They notice they are tired and have dark circles under their eyes and loss of appetite.
Was the above caused by the heavy drug? Or was the above caused by the stress reaction thinking the drug messed him up? Or was it caused by his unhealthy, sedentary lifestyle sitting in front of a computer screen?
The answer is most likely a mixture of all of the above. But, if I had to guess, chronic stress that you carry day after day, week after week, probably has a lot more to do with your current health than some chemicals that left your body six months ago.
All of the above is why you need to find a place to help you disconnect, reduce stress, and isolate what might be causing your symptoms.
This seems to be fairly common when a person believes that they may have permanently screwed up their health.
Let’s say you have a person constantly hunched over a computer, staring at a screen, with headphones on. They don’t get much exercise, sitting way too much, and they don’t eat very healthy. They drink alcohol and recreational drugs. One day, this person does a heavy dose of a strong drug and has a negative reaction.
The person begins to think, “What happened, did I just screw up my health?”
The chemicals in the drug leave the body of the person over a period of a few weeks, via urine, sweat, etc. But, by then the person has been so stressed out about what they may have done to their health they begin to notice everything. They begin to notice tinnitus, or their jaw is aching. They notice they are tired and have dark circles under their eyes and loss of appetite.
Was the above caused by the heavy drug? Or was the above caused by the stress reaction thinking the drug messed him up? Or was it caused by his unhealthy, sedentary lifestyle sitting in front of a computer screen?
The answer is most likely a mixture of all of the above. But, if I had to guess, chronic stress that you carry day after day, week after week, probably has a lot more to do with your current health than some chemicals that left your body six months ago.
All of the above is why you need to find a place to help you disconnect, reduce stress, and isolate what might be causing your symptoms.
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by AlexMulti » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:48 am
Thanks for all responses, thanks very much.
Well i was not the typical computer guy, i was doing a lot of sports when this happened, including running, Muay Thay and gym. After the overdose i started to feel less and less energy and i had to stop everything. Is crazy but i was in very good shape. I'm afraid i could had an stroke in my brain. And i did not have tinnitus or any other symthopms. Anyway is very difficut to know as my case is no very common.
I was no addicted to meth and i just had a sigle overdose, and created al theses symthmos, who knows when they are going away? Even doctors don't have any idea.
Well i was not the typical computer guy, i was doing a lot of sports when this happened, including running, Muay Thay and gym. After the overdose i started to feel less and less energy and i had to stop everything. Is crazy but i was in very good shape. I'm afraid i could had an stroke in my brain. And i did not have tinnitus or any other symthopms. Anyway is very difficut to know as my case is no very common.
I was no addicted to meth and i just had a sigle overdose, and created al theses symthmos, who knows when they are going away? Even doctors don't have any idea.
by tipsy » Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:19 am
How long were you smoking meth for? it would take a long time to get through a whole gram. A meth overdose would normally result in a heart attack though.
if you smoked that much you could have meth induced psychosis, or just severely damaged your dopamine receptors. Recovery from this has been reported to be very slow and could take 18 months for recovery.
You should speak to your doctor about a treatment plan, a course of antidepressants may be beneficial, but make sure you go see your doctor again and tell them you've seen no improvement.
In the meantime start exercising and make sure your eating healthy. How is your sleep? Sauna can be great for rest and relaxation.
if you smoked that much you could have meth induced psychosis, or just severely damaged your dopamine receptors. Recovery from this has been reported to be very slow and could take 18 months for recovery.
You should speak to your doctor about a treatment plan, a course of antidepressants may be beneficial, but make sure you go see your doctor again and tell them you've seen no improvement.
In the meantime start exercising and make sure your eating healthy. How is your sleep? Sauna can be great for rest and relaxation.
by AlexMulti » Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:04 am
Thanks for aswering!
How long were you smoking meth for? --> I just tryied a litel bit like 6 months before the overdose and that's all. Only 2 times in my live and the second one was near a gram. I probably did not have a hard attack as i was in good shape, probably i was near to that.
how is your sleep..> i'm always tired and sleepy, i sleep much more than before but i have all the time unpleassant dreams, a looot of dreams all the time sometimes is the dream don't let me sleep as well as i wish. Before i did not have all these unplessant and vivid dreams.
I hoppe is the dopamine receptors thing, and is not a stroke (as i have tinnitus in both ears i have read that this could be s sign of stroke).
I'm already taking ABYLIFY as a antidepressant but it makes nothing to me.
Could the dopamine create all this impairment in my brain? No memory, no skills to think as before, no planning capacity...
I hoppe is all this because the dopamine thing, i hoppep yes, because i did no have any improvements in 8 months, NOTHING is getting better. I wish what you say about 18 moths is true cause means there is a recovery somewhere.
How long were you smoking meth for? --> I just tryied a litel bit like 6 months before the overdose and that's all. Only 2 times in my live and the second one was near a gram. I probably did not have a hard attack as i was in good shape, probably i was near to that.
how is your sleep..> i'm always tired and sleepy, i sleep much more than before but i have all the time unpleassant dreams, a looot of dreams all the time sometimes is the dream don't let me sleep as well as i wish. Before i did not have all these unplessant and vivid dreams.
I hoppe is the dopamine receptors thing, and is not a stroke (as i have tinnitus in both ears i have read that this could be s sign of stroke).
I'm already taking ABYLIFY as a antidepressant but it makes nothing to me.
Could the dopamine create all this impairment in my brain? No memory, no skills to think as before, no planning capacity...
I hoppe is all this because the dopamine thing, i hoppep yes, because i did no have any improvements in 8 months, NOTHING is getting better. I wish what you say about 18 moths is true cause means there is a recovery somewhere.
by tipsy » Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:35 am
Seems like what you're taking is an antipsychotic which supposedly helps to restore the neurotransmitters in the brain. ie balance your brain chemistry.
In short meth will severely damage your brain and central nervous system, but in your favour you only took it for a short while and should fully recover but this may take 12-18 months. Do not use again or any other type of illicit drug.
Make sure you get plenty of exercise, eat clean and healthy and start taking a fish oil(omega 3) supplement.
In short meth will severely damage your brain and central nervous system, but in your favour you only took it for a short while and should fully recover but this may take 12-18 months. Do not use again or any other type of illicit drug.
Make sure you get plenty of exercise, eat clean and healthy and start taking a fish oil(omega 3) supplement.
by AlexMulti » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:50 am
Thanks for reply Tipsy, i'm so lost about all this. I hoppe you are right and is all about 12/18 months and im not going to stay like this all my life. I'm so afraid about i had a TBI and i lost memory, capacity, energy and libido forever. I feel so tired all the time and is so hard to make sports as before. Thanks for support.
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