Hi Sylvia. Wow it sounds like you´ve been through loads and hypnosis has really helped. That´s really positive stuff.
I might ask my client ´if there´s an event that she feels may have sparked something´ and do a VK if there is. From what we´ve spoken about before it doesn´t seem like there is, and I don´t want to put words in her mouth..
It´s good to here how hypnosis has helped you to recover. How long did it take you and was it a gradual thing or a sudden release?
Andy.
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by andy » Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:57 am
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by Sylvia » Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:53 pm
Hi Andy,
It was a gradual thing, I think. But there were some moments when I really noticed a big change; I would just simply feel great when the session was over and notice over the next few days how good I felt. There were some Eureka! moments when I would realise that I had been walking up easily up a flight of stairs, etc.
I listened to tapes every day. Sometimes twice. I was dedicated. I have spent a year and a half doing this, still work on it as ongoing health care, but health care that evolves. Not every day now.
The program that has helped me tremendously was the Mind/Body hologram from wendi.com where you imagine a grid on and in your body, so everytime you can actually work on different issues if you want as you move through a count of 10. The more I used the tape the better able I was to imagine an intense, fine grid permeateing every part of my brain or body area. Sometimes I would concentrate on one area or issue more than other times. It felt very powerful for me over this period of time as I grew better (went deeper into trance???) at it. At the end of a year, something happened that made me stop my meds, I went thru 2 weeks of terrible withdrawal and then...since May I have had 2 depressive days (minor) which I was able to control. That was a drop of 8 meds, including the daily sleeping pills for Fibro that I stopped within a few weeks of starting Hypno. Hardly ever have needed pain killers for Fibro as I don't have much pain. Heel Spurs (diagnosed through x-ray last Spring) hardly bother me; do not use insoles, just good Clark's shoes.
Warning here though: Please DO NOT recommend to anyone who is bipolar that this is a cure-all or they should stop their meds. Even though I took a handful of pills everyday, I was still considered a mild case. And I monitor myself and have access to self-hypnosis and depression info right at my fingertips. And I can't prove this is what helped me.
Regarding your client: I wouldn't say anything direct if she has not brought it up. Many people who have been abused, for instance, are not able to handle bringing those memories back into the forefront. She needs to do this in her own time. That's her personal space and no matter the issue, I think as counsellors we need to respect that. Self discovery is very powerful and if we interfere, we take that opportunity away from them. So with your client, I think I would search out a roundabout way of approaching her problems (ie, not abuse or lack of going into trance, but fear, even breaking down fear into fear of illness, or pain which she has, stressing importance of giving her body/mind a break before you can move on to further help; going slow, seeing building up rapport and her comfort level (with you and herself) as the major thing to work on so she is gradually able to release fear and open up to going into a good trance. I would do perhaps a general healing light that allows a wisdom part of her to speak, letting her know that she doesn't have to 'work' at anything; that right now its all about rest. I don't know VK as I am not trained in NLP - one of my hopes for the future.
One of my clients told me that she has uncomfortable thoughts about going into basements so when the tapes say to go down 10 steps, she literally refuses to do it!!! and instead goes up 10 steps and lies down in a cloud which she finds very relaxing. She listened to those tapes for 2 weeks before she told me that! Now she has opened up about how impossible it has been for her to be relaxed and also go to sleep. Her husband commented that even if she didn't lose weight, the hypno is worth it because she now sleeps well. She's not losing weight so far, but she sure is getting to know herself, and the weight loss will follow. She's the one who could not think of any reason why she was overweight and then blurted out, after a Wisdom Light session, "I eat when I'm angry!" So on to Parts therapy for her.
Another thing that helped me, (again ongoing work at this over years culminating in some rapid movement through Hypno), was doing Parts Therapy for other issues where I learned to get to know and understand how those 'parts' of me worked - and that I could work with those parts and change how they felt and reacted. Therefore I got put back in the driver's seat, so to speak. So now, I can 'label' a feeling or reaction as a 'part of me' and not allow that broad sweeping, overwhelming emotion to take over and become me. I hope this makes some kind of sense. I've actually been too busy enjoying life to do much self-analyzing lately (phew! what a relief
)so in a way I'm guessing at this as I go along.
I think these 2 programs plus my own chakra program have made the biggest difference. Healing went on in my physical body but also very much so in my thinking, reacting, emotional body. And my spiritual body has done some healing.
By the way, this has been a VERY stressful summer and fall for me, too, so I should be a basket case going on past history!
Hope this has helped to answer some of your questions.
Have a good day,
Sylvia
It was a gradual thing, I think. But there were some moments when I really noticed a big change; I would just simply feel great when the session was over and notice over the next few days how good I felt. There were some Eureka! moments when I would realise that I had been walking up easily up a flight of stairs, etc.
I listened to tapes every day. Sometimes twice. I was dedicated. I have spent a year and a half doing this, still work on it as ongoing health care, but health care that evolves. Not every day now.
The program that has helped me tremendously was the Mind/Body hologram from wendi.com where you imagine a grid on and in your body, so everytime you can actually work on different issues if you want as you move through a count of 10. The more I used the tape the better able I was to imagine an intense, fine grid permeateing every part of my brain or body area. Sometimes I would concentrate on one area or issue more than other times. It felt very powerful for me over this period of time as I grew better (went deeper into trance???) at it. At the end of a year, something happened that made me stop my meds, I went thru 2 weeks of terrible withdrawal and then...since May I have had 2 depressive days (minor) which I was able to control. That was a drop of 8 meds, including the daily sleeping pills for Fibro that I stopped within a few weeks of starting Hypno. Hardly ever have needed pain killers for Fibro as I don't have much pain. Heel Spurs (diagnosed through x-ray last Spring) hardly bother me; do not use insoles, just good Clark's shoes.
Warning here though: Please DO NOT recommend to anyone who is bipolar that this is a cure-all or they should stop their meds. Even though I took a handful of pills everyday, I was still considered a mild case. And I monitor myself and have access to self-hypnosis and depression info right at my fingertips. And I can't prove this is what helped me.
Regarding your client: I wouldn't say anything direct if she has not brought it up. Many people who have been abused, for instance, are not able to handle bringing those memories back into the forefront. She needs to do this in her own time. That's her personal space and no matter the issue, I think as counsellors we need to respect that. Self discovery is very powerful and if we interfere, we take that opportunity away from them. So with your client, I think I would search out a roundabout way of approaching her problems (ie, not abuse or lack of going into trance, but fear, even breaking down fear into fear of illness, or pain which she has, stressing importance of giving her body/mind a break before you can move on to further help; going slow, seeing building up rapport and her comfort level (with you and herself) as the major thing to work on so she is gradually able to release fear and open up to going into a good trance. I would do perhaps a general healing light that allows a wisdom part of her to speak, letting her know that she doesn't have to 'work' at anything; that right now its all about rest. I don't know VK as I am not trained in NLP - one of my hopes for the future.
One of my clients told me that she has uncomfortable thoughts about going into basements so when the tapes say to go down 10 steps, she literally refuses to do it!!! and instead goes up 10 steps and lies down in a cloud which she finds very relaxing. She listened to those tapes for 2 weeks before she told me that! Now she has opened up about how impossible it has been for her to be relaxed and also go to sleep. Her husband commented that even if she didn't lose weight, the hypno is worth it because she now sleeps well. She's not losing weight so far, but she sure is getting to know herself, and the weight loss will follow. She's the one who could not think of any reason why she was overweight and then blurted out, after a Wisdom Light session, "I eat when I'm angry!" So on to Parts therapy for her.
Another thing that helped me, (again ongoing work at this over years culminating in some rapid movement through Hypno), was doing Parts Therapy for other issues where I learned to get to know and understand how those 'parts' of me worked - and that I could work with those parts and change how they felt and reacted. Therefore I got put back in the driver's seat, so to speak. So now, I can 'label' a feeling or reaction as a 'part of me' and not allow that broad sweeping, overwhelming emotion to take over and become me. I hope this makes some kind of sense. I've actually been too busy enjoying life to do much self-analyzing lately (phew! what a relief
)so in a way I'm guessing at this as I go along.
I think these 2 programs plus my own chakra program have made the biggest difference. Healing went on in my physical body but also very much so in my thinking, reacting, emotional body. And my spiritual body has done some healing.
By the way, this has been a VERY stressful summer and fall for me, too, so I should be a basket case going on past history!
Hope this has helped to answer some of your questions.
Have a good day,
Sylvia
by andy » Fri Oct 31, 2003 10:00 am
Hi Sylvia.
Your posts have been really reassuring to me. I think that hypnosis can often be like that, we don´t notice a change and then suddenly realise we´re doing something (like walking up the stairs) that we couldn´t before. It´s great stuff.
I´m actually thinking about making an ME tape or CD because my sister also has ME and I know a lot of people who have it. I was thinking of focusing on acceptance, enjoying now and letting go of the past. Then the best way to live their lives - finding a balance to do graded exercise and looking for things that they´re able to do which they enjoy. Finally the healing process (immune system improving) and looking back from a future when they´re better.
I don´t know much about parts therapy, but I think I may sometimes do similar things anyway. I often try to reframe unwanted traits as not the clients identity, or as you say only a ´part´of them.
Thanks again.
Andy.
Your posts have been really reassuring to me. I think that hypnosis can often be like that, we don´t notice a change and then suddenly realise we´re doing something (like walking up the stairs) that we couldn´t before. It´s great stuff.
I´m actually thinking about making an ME tape or CD because my sister also has ME and I know a lot of people who have it. I was thinking of focusing on acceptance, enjoying now and letting go of the past. Then the best way to live their lives - finding a balance to do graded exercise and looking for things that they´re able to do which they enjoy. Finally the healing process (immune system improving) and looking back from a future when they´re better.
I don´t know much about parts therapy, but I think I may sometimes do similar things anyway. I often try to reframe unwanted traits as not the clients identity, or as you say only a ´part´of them.
Thanks again.
Andy.
- andy
by Sylvia » Fri Oct 31, 2003 6:27 pm
Hi andy,
Good to hear from you.
The parts therapy that I know about is when you go into yourself and find the 'part' of you that has a positive reason, for instance, for keeping the weight on and then ask that part some questions, ie. what do you want, what are your needs, etc; do it at maybe 3 levels, each time going deeper and saying thank you for each answer (just accepting the answer as it is given). Then find the creative, problem solving 'part' of you. Then you put the two parts in communication with each other and listen to the answers that the creative part can come up with to let the first part be satisfied in some other healthy, safe way. Listen to those ideas, again just accepting them, and say thank-you. Add in a suggestion that this will continue to happen during sleep and throughout the day, now that these two parts are in communication. Ask client to write down the answers when they return to room. Everytime you do it the answers vary, going deeper. at the beginning you explain how the whole thing works to the client, asking them to be open and accepting, etc.
The tape I use is specifically for weight, but what you end up doing is clearing a lot of old emotional issues, not by going into those issues but by recognising your feelings (your emotional baggage), acknowledging them, accepting them, and finding a way that they can get what they need without it being destructive to one's own physical self.
One could easily rephrase that to be: find the part that is getting positive satisfaction by remaining ill, not allowing my immune system to work, feeling physical pain or whatever.
I'm thinking of retaping it and adding an anchor to help me remember that if I do recognise some pain or ill feeling that I will use my anchor as a reminder that this creative part of me is now meeting those needs and I don't have to feel or do whatever I used to.
The original script I bought (otherwise I would just send them to you) from Wendi.com ($39.00 US) as part of her Weight Release package of 7 or 8 scripts. I also got the Mind/Body Hologram as part of another package. She does NLP and I don't so it was more than worth it to me to buy these. If you are interested, tell her I told you about them and she might be able to give you a discount coupon.
Checking my files, I see I also have an article with 2 scripts about Stimulating your own Immune System by Wayne Perkins. It says Article Courtesy of QualityBooks.com. Also try: http://www.qualitybooksonline.com/immune.htm
If I can help any more, I'd be glad to.
Take care,
Sylvia
Good to hear from you.
The parts therapy that I know about is when you go into yourself and find the 'part' of you that has a positive reason, for instance, for keeping the weight on and then ask that part some questions, ie. what do you want, what are your needs, etc; do it at maybe 3 levels, each time going deeper and saying thank you for each answer (just accepting the answer as it is given). Then find the creative, problem solving 'part' of you. Then you put the two parts in communication with each other and listen to the answers that the creative part can come up with to let the first part be satisfied in some other healthy, safe way. Listen to those ideas, again just accepting them, and say thank-you. Add in a suggestion that this will continue to happen during sleep and throughout the day, now that these two parts are in communication. Ask client to write down the answers when they return to room. Everytime you do it the answers vary, going deeper. at the beginning you explain how the whole thing works to the client, asking them to be open and accepting, etc.
The tape I use is specifically for weight, but what you end up doing is clearing a lot of old emotional issues, not by going into those issues but by recognising your feelings (your emotional baggage), acknowledging them, accepting them, and finding a way that they can get what they need without it being destructive to one's own physical self.
One could easily rephrase that to be: find the part that is getting positive satisfaction by remaining ill, not allowing my immune system to work, feeling physical pain or whatever.
I'm thinking of retaping it and adding an anchor to help me remember that if I do recognise some pain or ill feeling that I will use my anchor as a reminder that this creative part of me is now meeting those needs and I don't have to feel or do whatever I used to.
The original script I bought (otherwise I would just send them to you) from Wendi.com ($39.00 US) as part of her Weight Release package of 7 or 8 scripts. I also got the Mind/Body Hologram as part of another package. She does NLP and I don't so it was more than worth it to me to buy these. If you are interested, tell her I told you about them and she might be able to give you a discount coupon.
Checking my files, I see I also have an article with 2 scripts about Stimulating your own Immune System by Wayne Perkins. It says Article Courtesy of QualityBooks.com. Also try: http://www.qualitybooksonline.com/immune.htm
If I can help any more, I'd be glad to.
Take care,
Sylvia
by andy » Sun Nov 02, 2003 8:58 pm
Hi Sylvia.
I like the sound of parts therapy. It´s good to check out what´s maintaining an illness as it could be an attempted solution.
I´m wondering if it´s similar to a parts reframe talked about in the smoking and pattern matching thread? Or is it just that these methods both use the word ´part´!?
Thank you for those 2 scripts, I´ll have a look into getting those other scripts too.
I´m not seeing this client for another week, so I have a lot to think about before then. I´m thinking she is going into trance on some level and perhaps expects trance to be something different. I´m sure everyones mind must get lower than a seven out of ten at some point in terms of busyness?
Thanks again.
Andy.
I like the sound of parts therapy. It´s good to check out what´s maintaining an illness as it could be an attempted solution.
I´m wondering if it´s similar to a parts reframe talked about in the smoking and pattern matching thread? Or is it just that these methods both use the word ´part´!?
Thank you for those 2 scripts, I´ll have a look into getting those other scripts too.
I´m not seeing this client for another week, so I have a lot to think about before then. I´m thinking she is going into trance on some level and perhaps expects trance to be something different. I´m sure everyones mind must get lower than a seven out of ten at some point in terms of busyness?
Thanks again.
Andy.
- andy
by colin » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:36 am
Hi Andy et al
Just a very brief thought on your clients shield. Have you thought/tried suggesting the she holds the shield to her and hugs it like you would a cushion? Ccurls up in its prtective envioronment etc?
I've often used this approach and by 'giving them permission' to hold onto something they find that they often don't need too?
Just a thought
Colin
Just a very brief thought on your clients shield. Have you thought/tried suggesting the she holds the shield to her and hugs it like you would a cushion? Ccurls up in its prtective envioronment etc?
I've often used this approach and by 'giving them permission' to hold onto something they find that they often don't need too?
Just a thought
Colin
by Jill Wootton » Tue Nov 04, 2003 9:16 pm
Hi Sylvia. I have had the understanding that FM is a disorder that is possibly related to poor sleep patterns. I have just read an article that talks about this in a UK magazine for nutritionists, I have made a note to get a copy of the issue and will post the details on hear as soon as I can.
Jill
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by Sylvia » Wed Nov 05, 2003 12:48 am
Hi, Jill,
One of the symptoms of FM is not sleeping. There are many symptoms. It might be hard to say which comes first!
I'll be interested in what you find out.
Sylvia
One of the symptoms of FM is not sleeping. There are many symptoms. It might be hard to say which comes first!
I'll be interested in what you find out.
Sylvia
by Stuart » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:44 am
Hi Andy/all,
regarding your ME client. Over the last couple of years there has been a breakthrough in treating ME & CFS by way of a new method of therapy, called Reverse Therapy. Reverse Therapy has I believe already helped a great deal of sufferer's back to full health. It was pioneered by a medical doctor and a psychotherapist - though the treatment doesn't involve either medication or psychotherapy as such!
There is a useful website (www.ReverseTherapy.com) which has an excellent article on explaing the condition and how the treatment works.
I had CFS for over 5 years. I tried 'everything' - even hypnosis (my passion!) didn't make much difference. Then I started trying Reverse Therapy and I'm virtually 100% better (I went on a 12 mile walk yesterday!) I can highly recommend it.
PS. Sorry to 'plug' another form of treatment. Just want to spread the word on anything that works. I hope that's within the 'rules'!
Best wishes
regarding your ME client. Over the last couple of years there has been a breakthrough in treating ME & CFS by way of a new method of therapy, called Reverse Therapy. Reverse Therapy has I believe already helped a great deal of sufferer's back to full health. It was pioneered by a medical doctor and a psychotherapist - though the treatment doesn't involve either medication or psychotherapy as such!
There is a useful website (www.ReverseTherapy.com) which has an excellent article on explaing the condition and how the treatment works.
I had CFS for over 5 years. I tried 'everything' - even hypnosis (my passion!) didn't make much difference. Then I started trying Reverse Therapy and I'm virtually 100% better (I went on a 12 mile walk yesterday!) I can highly recommend it.
PS. Sorry to 'plug' another form of treatment. Just want to spread the word on anything that works. I hope that's within the 'rules'!
Best wishes
by Roger Elliott » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:58 am
I for one am interested in what works. And particularly in why what works worksPS. Sorry to 'plug' another form of treatment. Just want to spread the word on anything that works. I hope that's within the 'rules'!
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by kfedouloff » Thu Apr 01, 2004 2:20 pm
Hello Stuart
I visited the Reverse Therapy site and it does look intriguing. My question for you: what are you doing differently now that you have had this therapy? What are the tools that it has given you?
Curious!
Kathleen
I visited the Reverse Therapy site and it does look intriguing. My question for you: what are you doing differently now that you have had this therapy? What are the tools that it has given you?
Curious!
Kathleen
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by Stuart » Thu Apr 01, 2004 4:44 pm
Hi Kathleen,
Well now... that's a question-and-a-half!! I can't adequately put my experience of Reverse Therapy into words... but I'll have a go to give you some concept of it. As a hypnotherapist I'm well-read in Mind-body healing, etc, so I'm able to make some sense of the therapy process that way...
when you ask "what am I doing differently", are you asking in an NLP-type way, or just what am I getting up to in my life that I wasn't before?
To answer the first question, I have learnt not just to pay attention to my body, but I now know the message the my body was trying to communicate to me all along by producing the symptoms. Its like the symptoms are the messenger at the door... knocking away, until the message is received and acted upon. (When I first was introduced to this notion I had a little difficulty accepting it. However, having experienced it and seen the testimonials of others who have also got better by applying it... and reading "The Psychobiology of Mind-Body Healing" by Rossi, then it makes perfect sense now!)
In Reverse Thearpy, the therapy first of all seeks to figure out what the person's body is trying to communicate to them. I could never have done that on my own - even with all my self-knowledge and insight
! As a hypnotherapist, the biggest learning for me was not to try to change my symptoms (either consciously or unconsciously), or use my mind to control my body, or even try to negotiate with them, but to accept that my body wants me to be healthy and is simply alerting me to take some action about something in my life that is/was a threat to me.
So in a nutshell, the 'tool' its given me is to be able to understand and act on what my body wants... in relation to any asepct of my life which is unhealthy for me. If this sounds a bit esoteric, then aplogies. Its really very basic. Just we've lost that ability as a society to (imho).
What am I doing now that I wasn't before? Having a life!! I swim several times a week, I go walking, I go out with friends, away for weekends. Oh, and I work.
I hope this answers your question. Let me know if you'd like to know more.
Well now... that's a question-and-a-half!! I can't adequately put my experience of Reverse Therapy into words... but I'll have a go to give you some concept of it. As a hypnotherapist I'm well-read in Mind-body healing, etc, so I'm able to make some sense of the therapy process that way...
when you ask "what am I doing differently", are you asking in an NLP-type way, or just what am I getting up to in my life that I wasn't before?
To answer the first question, I have learnt not just to pay attention to my body, but I now know the message the my body was trying to communicate to me all along by producing the symptoms. Its like the symptoms are the messenger at the door... knocking away, until the message is received and acted upon. (When I first was introduced to this notion I had a little difficulty accepting it. However, having experienced it and seen the testimonials of others who have also got better by applying it... and reading "The Psychobiology of Mind-Body Healing" by Rossi, then it makes perfect sense now!)
In Reverse Thearpy, the therapy first of all seeks to figure out what the person's body is trying to communicate to them. I could never have done that on my own - even with all my self-knowledge and insight
! As a hypnotherapist, the biggest learning for me was not to try to change my symptoms (either consciously or unconsciously), or use my mind to control my body, or even try to negotiate with them, but to accept that my body wants me to be healthy and is simply alerting me to take some action about something in my life that is/was a threat to me.
So in a nutshell, the 'tool' its given me is to be able to understand and act on what my body wants... in relation to any asepct of my life which is unhealthy for me. If this sounds a bit esoteric, then aplogies. Its really very basic. Just we've lost that ability as a society to (imho).
What am I doing now that I wasn't before? Having a life!! I swim several times a week, I go walking, I go out with friends, away for weekends. Oh, and I work.
I hope this answers your question. Let me know if you'd like to know more.
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