I want to kill someone.

We should control our anger. It is not good for health. Mostly we take wrong decisions in anger. There are many tricks to control our anger. You should follow them and don't even think to hurt anyone. You can also consult any psychiatrist.

Zanoni wrote:I think its great. You should do what you want to do. Everybody will tell you that. If you desire something bad enough you will do it. If this is what you desire I say go for it!

Your response seems to be heralding the Collapse of Civilization. I had studied Chinese History, which is fascinating because their Civilization has gone through the best Historically Recorded Collapses. Chinese History tells us in great detail how bad it is going to be.

But I think it was the Ming Dynasty that collapsed this time when I was doing my reading. The roads and the canals all stopped working and so food supplies couldn’t go anywhere, and what was left of the Army and Police were off fighting off Foreign Barbarian Invaders, so the Domestic Barbarians were free to do whatever they wanted.
This One Band got together, and it frankly puzzles Historians. It was not assembled to rob and pillage and steal food, although, of course, it did that in order to survive. But its main goal was just to massacre every village, town and city it came too. The only people it spared were men who would come out, armed, and say “Don’t Kill Me. I want to Kill Too.” And they would be let into the Band.

The only literary statement we have from that Murderous Band was from a monument they set up – a big stone Megalith, and on it in beautiful calligraphy were the words “Heaven gave us the means for Perfection, and then we created the World. Kill, Kill, Kill”.

Spooky, huh?

Anyway, this kind of urge for murderous rage, well, it’s not normal. It is a sign that our civilization has grown terribly diseased. These Murderers springing up among us… well they are the Tumors of Civilizations cancer. Them and the Gun Nuts and Terrorists.

We can stand against them for only so long, and then they will outnumber us.

Go in for sport! Give you! Give your energy go out!

Civilisation is beautiful, if you choose to focus on the beautiful parts of it

JuliusFawcett wrote:Civilisation is beautiful, if you choose to focus on the beautiful parts of it

Hi Julius,

Actually the only parts of Civilization that are not beautiful are the un-civilized parts. Everything Civilized IS beautiful.

Just think of what we would have without It. Thomas Hobbes said that without Civilization Life would be "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short". Now, who wants to line up for that?

The people now complaining about Civilization owe their very lives to it. In a World of unchecked anarchy and barbarism, these people would not last 5 minutes before they would get on some Bandit's nerves and get their heads lopped off. Here in Civilization they take it for granted how polite everyone is to them, and yet they seem to gloat on their own rudeness back. Kindness is a Charity to them that they fail to appreciate. they think Kindness is natural... some Human Quality that is owed to them, but which they have found some clever way of suppressing in their own behavior, and they are frankly proud of the contempt they feel for everybody else. I love Civilization, but the one good thing about Barbarism, if Civilization should Fall, is that a great many people will get exactly what they deserve. And right before the Miserable End comes for them, I hope they remember, and look back at these Days of Civilization as the "Good Ol' Days".

Kindness is natural, we were born with unconditional love and acceptance for our mother, only conditioning later took us away from that beautiful path

JuliusFawcett wrote:Kindness is natural, we were born with unconditional love and acceptance for our mother, only conditioning later took us away from that beautiful path

Hi Julius,


Well it is beautiful that you think children are all naturally goodness and light.

But Aristotle, who really paid attention to detail, cited children as being natural barbarians... savages. It required attention and skilled education to Civilize them.

I remember my friends, all less than 10 years old putting frogs into cigarette packages and lighting them on fire. I thought it was a bit excessive, but I did not protest. I stood and watched. Maybe even laughed with the rest of the Little Savages.

No, like the rest of the Animal Kingdom, and why should we be an exception, We are born Animals, and it takes a lot of work to turn us into Human Beings. some of us, and they have been writing in here lately, never quite get there. Don't get too close... they might bite.

Born as babies with unconditional love, when you have children of your own you will notice.

By 10 years old the child has been conditioned by 100's of thousands of thought patterns

Hi Julius,

Julius,

Have you not noticed, but I am an old man. In fact a grandfather. Aristotle also was a grandfather. Both of us noticed that infants are only beautiful while they are sleeping or momentarily content, and beyond that they can be demanding little monsters. it is not Unconditional Love that makes them cry all the time. They are crying because they frankly Hate whatever it is that they are crying about, and they will probably carry that same habit on into Adulthood, but they will turn crying into cussing. the Tantrums will remain more or less the same.

Honestly, Julius, you really should stop perceiving the World through your Ideological Rose Colored Glasses. Obvious Truths embedded in our everyday experiences... well, you must be squinting terribly hard to miss what is in plane sight. and yes, you mean well. if you think these pleasant fibs and altered realities, then it becomes easier to smile. Well, fine, then, feel good. But you should still be able to discern the difference between your Pleasant Interpretations and what is in fact the real empirical data -- the hard grim truth of things, for if that is what it is, well, we can deal with it better if we see it more clearly for what in fact it is.

Telling a New Mother that her little baby is going to be 24 hours a day "Unconditional Love" for its first 2 and a half years, well... I you must have been the father of Angels... not the typical babies the rest of us have.

Anyway, it is always nice speaking to you Julius. Yes, it seems like I am correcting you all the time, but please indulge a feisty old man.... that is what old men like to do. It makes us Happy.

They hate not being loved, like everyone, pick them up and they stop crying, hug them, feed them, change them, burp them and they are content, fortunately, as adults, it is possible to learn how to self validate, to look after ourselves so we can always be content if we choose, this is Maslow's self actualisation.

JuliusFawcett wrote:They hate not being loved, like everyone, pick them up and they stop crying, hug them, feed them, change them, burp them and they are content, fortunately, as adults, it is possible to learn how to self validate, to look after ourselves so we can always be content if we choose, this is Maslow's self actualisation.

Well, okay...

But I thought you were talking about UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.

Yes, I agree if you are insightful enough to always know what a baby wants (have you really been a parent?) then you can give them what they are squealing for and stop their rioting. If you constantly pamper them. Adjust the light in the room to sooth their eyes, speak softly to not disturb its rest, coo to them and never ever avert your attention from the selfish little things, then OF COURSE they will behave themselves.

but I thought you were talking about Unconditional Love. Suddenly you load it down with a million conditions.

yes, give Attila the Hun or Ghengis Khan everything they want -- surrender your city, your wealth, your wives and your daughters, and they will coo and smile too. But that is not unconditional love.

It is Emotional and Physical Blackmail. 'Give me what I want or I will make a big scene, and when I get older I will kick and punch".

As, I said before, my friend, this stuff is really too clear to me, and I am not really that smart. I do not know why you have such trouble seeing these things for yourself.

Denial. What hurt you so badly that you are stuck in Denial?

Yes I have two teenage daughters.

The unconditional love a baby has for her mother is that they don't think she is too fat, too thin, too white, too brown, too disabled, too stupid, too short, too tall, too spotty, too ugly, they accept their mothers as perfect as they are.

Clearly they cry to make us more aware of their needs, and they still have unconditional love for their mothers when they are hungry, too hot, too cold, too tired - none of that is personal. Later they can learn to be critical of their mothers, they are not born with that.

JuliusFawcett wrote:Yes I have two teenage daughters.

The unconditional love a baby has for her mother is that they don't think she is too fat, too thin, too white, too brown, too disabled, too stupid, too short, too tall, too spotty, too ugly, they accept their mothers as perfect as they are.

Clearly they cry to make us more aware of their needs, and they still have unconditional love for their mothers when they are hungry, too hot, too cold, too tired - none of that is personal. Later they can learn to be critical of their mothers, they are not born with that.

Good Morning Julius,

Again, I think you are limiting your thinking with all of that Happiness Ideology that you place before any practical or empirical observation. yes, babies love their mothers, UNTIL their selfish needs are not instantly catered to. Crying and Screaming, these are the makings of Temper Tantrums and later become Swearing Cussing Yelling and Breaking Things Storms of the Adult, and they are not about Love. they are about Hate of their Condition and Hate for those who have anything to do with their Condition. You've never seen a baby with a Frown for its Mother... Mother's call it pouting, but it is just the little things being Hateful.

Anyway, what if Children DO have this Unconditional Love. Well, you have squeezed it into such a compact little definition that it is now practically useless, isn't it. You say that despite all of their nasty behaviors, there is this fine bedrock of Unconditional Love -- that is apparently useless in regards to any of its actual behaviors toward their mothers, and that Unconditional Love merely consists in the fact that Infants have no frame of reference in which to Judge their Mother, and so, without any Standard to Measure by, they simply Assume Maternal Perfection -- Mother is a Child's first God, so to speak. But people Hate God too. People shake their Fist at the Sky all the time.

As far as Behavior goes, this Unconditional Love, well, if it is so non-applicable to anything practical, why do we even bother discussing it? Well, I suspect because "Unconditional Love" is one of those New Age Catch Phrases which simply must come up in every conversation in order to show off our New Age Credentials. I've said this before. the New Age is not New. The New Age had presided over arguably the worst Century in Human History (up until this one). the New Age gave us Imperialism and then Communism and then Fascism, a Huge Terrible World War (I believe History will someday see WWI and WWII as the Same World War, but with a 15 year Truce subdividing it). The New Age gave us the Atom Bomb and then Nuclear Weapons. Now it has given us this tacit Anarchy we now live with and the unchecked Oligarchy of the Rich (who were indeed able to Dream of World Conquest and to Imagine World Conquest and then to make it Real.... and then were able to Dream and Imagine and make it Real the fact that they Slam the Door behind themselves and allow no Newcomers into their exclusive paradise. Don't you honestly think that things were better in the Old Age?
They call it the Ancient Regime. Religion was respected and Morals were not questioned. Everything that was indeed wrong with the Ancient Regime was probably because of the Decay brought on by, yes, incipient New Age ideas that corroded respect for all the Ancient Civilized Institutions that were probably quite workable, if Civilization had not been interrupted by waves of Barbarian Invasions from the East (As China was successfully able to repel and expel its Barbarians, well, they all decided to leave China alone and try their luck with India, with Persia, the Arab Nations and Europe. Europe, but only barely was the only Civilization West of China to resist Invasion, but not without taking some very damaging shocks. Julius, why don't you pull your head out of those new age books for a while and study some World History. Without a Broad Frame of Reference, how can you even be sure of what you are thinking about... Yes, you have mentioned your Conscience before. But don't you think that a broader knowledge of the world and of history might, well, develop your conscience to some greater capacity and toward some greater discernment?.

Now it is like you are looking at things from the bottom of a hole you had fallen into. Climb a Mountain and see what everything looks like from there. Take my word for it, you are a Master of New Age Ideas. None of the Literature there has anything more it can give you. Grow. read something else for a while. and admit to yourself that this is not the first time you have heard this or similar advice, that fixation on New Age ideas is stifling your intellectual growth. And admit that this advise comes from stable and grounded people -- solid people whose World view is practical and reliable... no, not often pleasant but they take the Truth, whatever it is, unconditionally.... not waving away Reality as some act of Perfect Faith in their Hopes and Dreams (What do you tell a New Age Person whose Dreams do not come true. You tell them that they did not really believe... that they did not have enough Faith in themselves. its always Their Fault... never the fault of a flawed Philosophy)

Well, that seems to be enough of a lecture for today. Let me know what you think of it. We will talk more later. have a nice day.

oh I always have a nice day Leo, once we understand the purpose of suffering, life improves dramatically

JuliusFawcett wrote:oh I always have a nice day Leo, once we understand the purpose of suffering, life improves dramatically

Okay, I'll bite.... what is the Purpose of Suffering? I didn't think that non-catholics had any use for it.