Question regarding Depression THERAPY.......

Postby dina65 » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:08 pm

I've been in THERAPY for @ 20 years.... depressed and anxiety ridden since CHILDHOOD! SO when I read the info on the LEARNING PATH, I was quite interested.... been on antidepressants for 17 years and I'm now off of them and in a RELAPSE...
My question now is about the type of therapy.... What is the best kind? I've been seeing a therapist who specializes in Cognitive Therapy, but it doesn't seem to be helping. I usually just talk about whatever is going on in my life at that moment. Doesn't seem structured enough for me! Anyway, I go to 12 step groups and it helps alittle. I want to know if Personal Sucess Programs help. I've wasted so much time in therapy and I don't feel that it's helped.....

If you can give me any feed back I'd really appreciate it!
Thanks! :)
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Postby Bob Collier » Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:10 am

Hi, Dina

I'm not a therapist (or professional of any kind), but, as it happens, I'm currently reading 'Unlimited Power', a book on personal achievement by the world's "No.1 Personal Success Coach" Anthony Robbins. These are some of *his* views on depression:


"... people will come to me for counselling and say, "I'm so depressed." I don't ask, "Why are you so depressed?" and then ask them to present to themselves and me why they are. That would just put them into a depressed state. I don't want to know why they're depressed; I want to know *how* they're depressed. I'll ask instead, "How do you do that?" Usually I get a startled look because the person doesn't realise that you have to do certain things in your mind and physiology to get depressed. So I'll ask, "If I were in your body, how would I get depressed? What would I picture? What would I say to myself? How would I say it? What tonality would I use?" These processes create specific mental and physical actions, and thus specific emotional results. If you change the structure of a process, it can become something else, something other than a depressed state."


"No one consciously says, "I'd rather be depressed than happy." But what do depressed people do? We think of depression as a mental state, but it has a very clear, identifiable physiology. It's not hard to visualize a person who is depressed. Depressed people often walk around with their eyes down. (They're accessing in a kinaesthetic mode and/or talking to themselves about all the things that make them feel depressed.) They drop their shoulders. They take weak, shallow breaths. They do all the things that put their body in a depressed physiology. Are they deciding to be depressed? They sure are. Depression is a result, and it requires very specific body images to create it."


"If you stand up straight, if you throw your shoulders back, if you breathe deeply from your chest, if you look upward - if you put yourself in a resourceful physiology - you can't be depressed. Try it yourself. Stand up tall, throw your shoulders back, breathe deeply, look up, move your body. See if you can feel depressed in that posture. You'll find that it's almost impossible. Instead, your brain is getting a message from your physiology to be alert and vital and resourceful. And that's what it becomes."


What I've learned from my own 20+ years of "self-help hell" (Roger will know what I'm talking about there!) is that the solution is actually very simple - think about what you want and don't think about what you don't want. It's finding the way to do that effectively that seems to be the problem (it has been for me, at least).

I'm a big fan of Uncommon Knowledge, and I'm sure you'll find a lot of help and support here.

In the meantime, since it's also true that the more we think about something the easier it is to think about, I would suggest that talking to a therapist about things you presumably don't want in your life because they're making you depressed is a waste of your time and money and is probably making those things harder to change.

I don't know anything about 12-step plans for depression. But, there's a 12-step plan for 'alcoholics' used by AA where you have to stand up at each session and say, "My name's whatever and I'm an alcoholic" (unless it's changed). My personal opinion on that is unequivocal - exit the building swiftly and never go back.

I was depressed and anxious most of the time myself when I was younger, particularly during my teens when I was occasionally suicidal. However, I've never been in therapy of any kind (or taken medication). I've just read books (and heaps of them) and listened to a few tapes in more recent times, and clearly some of it has sunk in because I've become progressively a much more positive person over the years and these days could easily be perceived as somebody who's confident and happy. Which, now I think of it, I am. 8)

I hope there's something in there that helps - and now over to the professionals. :)

Best wishes,

Bob
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Postby dina65 » Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:50 pm

Bob, Thank you very much for your insight.....Glad to hear that you have helped yourself become a 'HAPPY' person! I've had times in my life that I appeared that way!
* The quote from the book was very interesting. And I also feel that you are right about mulling things over in THERAPY, it really hasn't done me ANY GOOD!!! I will start thinking about WHAT I DO WANT instead of what I DON'T WANT!!! If I can keep that thought in my mind, I should be ok!!!! Right now it's tough because there are SO many individual programs coming at you and SO MUCH INFORMATION ON SELF HELP that it becomes OVERWHELMING! And then I become CONFUSED about how to help myself!

Thanks for taking the time!

:) Dina
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Postby ROMAN7 » Sun Nov 23, 2003 6:43 am

Dina 65 Dina 65 first find a Doctor of Homeopathy to get you involve in the Bach system of medicine ,this are derived from flowers,I am from the school of Hypnosis; the next advise is very powerfull and we use it for difficult cases We call it the born again person,depression is like a drug you keep on having it,even if you lost the original idea ,that depress you. Sitdown Relax and mentally create an Island with all the ideas an desires that will make happy and fullfill , then when you feel very good everytime you are in the Island create a personaliy that you will have in the Island,a personality that will make very happyin the Island and when you are able to feel this personality, transfer it, to yur everyday life,also read about reincarnation and understand that all you been thru is a test to make you a better person phisically ,mentally and spiritually Love and best wishes ROMAN7
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Postby Roger Elliott » Sun Nov 23, 2003 10:55 am

Hi Dina65

Those are some very wise words from Bob. I heartily recommend that you take the Depression Learning Path - this will explain in more detail why going over things in therapy doesn't tend to work unless solutions are involved.

You will also find out why antidepressants give a much higher rate of relapse than appropriate therapy, and what to look for in a good therapist.

Many people have found it extremely useful:
http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk/comments.htm

Best

Roger
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Postby roscoe » Mon Nov 24, 2003 11:11 am

Hi Dina65

You might want to look on the uncommon knowledge website as it contains a wealth of information about depression. You might also want to look at www.mindfields.org as they too can give you a lot of information about ways to work with depression. As far as therapists are concerned Human Givens Therapists adopt a broad spectrum approach and there methods have been shown to be very effective.

Hope that helps.

Roscoe
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