Advice on Losing Weight Makes People Fatter and Sadder

I don't think a psychologist should not be writing a book about losing weight unless its about the psychological changes or reinforcement you need to have to keep to a diet given to you by a nutritionist, someone who actually understands the bodies b iological needs, the cellular sh** going on, and etc.

Fasting is unhealthy, its always more unhealthy than eating normally and exercise-ing.

Agreed,

Although Paul McKenna's I can make you thin is based not only psychological ways to combat obesity but also has had inputs from various dieticians. McKenna knows what he is talking about and I recommend utilising his resources.

N

It is certainly better to get carbohydrates from low GI/GL foods than from high GI/GL foods.

However to lose weight there is no getting around the fact that a person has to burn off more energy than they are consuming. This means either eating less, or exercising more, or both.

Forgetting health benefits and considering only energy, 1000 KCals of low GI food is the same as 1000 KCals of high GI food.

There is a good article on the bad effects of diets here

From today's Times newspaper:

From The Times
August 25, 2007
Fat? I’ve just got big genes
Junk medicine: causes of obesity
MARK HENDERSON

For those of us who have a tendency to put on a few extra pounds it is always tempting to reach for biological reasons why our body shapes might not be our fault. We all know slim people who seem to do nothing but eat and slob out in front of the television, and others whose second helpings go straight to the waist, however much they exercise. It often appears that diet and lifestyle cannot be all that matter.

The traditional excuse was always “big bones”, but this has now been joined by others with more scientific credentials. It has long been suspected that genetics are involved and in April scientists published details of the first gene to be directly linked to obesity. People who inherit one version of the FTO gene rather than another are 70 per cent more likely to be obese, and weigh an average of 3kg more. Big bones might not exist, but “big genes” are taking their place.

A study published this week, indeed, has shown that genetics is becoming the explanation of choice for people who become seriously obese. Research at the University of Warwick into people seeking weight-loss surgery found that all these patients saw their bodies as naturally “fat-prone”, often invoking genes or family history.

Another factor over which individuals have little control will be popularised by another item from the week’s research news: viruses. A study at Louisiana State University (LSU) showed that exposure to adenovirus36 (Ad36), which normally causes coughs and colds, can induce stem cells from fat tissue to become fully fledged fat cells. Though the findings applied only in the laboratory, they matched observations that 30 per cent of obese people carry the virus, compared with only 11 per cent of the lean. Fat could now be blamed on germs, as well as genes.

Neither explanation is to be sniffed at. Though the evidence for Ad36’s role is not yet conclusive, the LSU team has made a compelling case, with epidemiological, animal and cell studies that point the same way.

Two other adenoviruses have been linked to weight gain, and it is looking plausible that infection can contribute. That genetics plays a part is even more certain. Twin and family studies show that obesity is at least partially heritable, and if FTO is the first common gene with an effect to be identifed, it is unlikely to be the last.

Both channels of research promise benefits, in the shape of screening, to identify people at high risk of obesity, and drugs or vaccines that might assist weight loss. They may also help to lift the stigma of obesity, the perception that it is the result of not one but two deadly sins, gluttony and sloth.

Yet if less controllable factors can affect body shape, their influence should not be exaggerated. While people with a particular genetic profile are at higher risk of gaining weight, it must be remembered that there are very many people with “fat” FTO genes who are slim.

Equally, even if the influence of Ad36 is confirmed, most obese people are not infected and plenty of svelte people will be. Except in rare cases, such as Prader-Willi syndrome, obesity is not caused directly by genes. It is probably never “caught” as an infection. These are risk factors, which have an effect only in concert with the environment.

For the vast majority of people – genetically predisposed, virally infected or not – a simple equation still applies. Consume more calories than you burn off and you will put on weight. While genetic insights and antivirals might one day help people to control their weight, even those who might benefit from such advances can do plenty about their problems now.

Blaming genes and viruses will not help anybody to lose weight or lower their risk of hypertension and diabetes. The low-tech solution of improving diets and lifestyles is very much the best one.

Mark Henderson is the Science Editor of The Times


© Copyright 2007 Times Newspapers Ltd.

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Roger Elliott
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errrrrrm what???

Doesn't the fact that he has helped countless numbers of people to overcome obesity, smoking, phobias etc count for the fact that he is a hypnotist not a psychologist?

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I've edited this post because it was quoting the above post which was breaking the forum rules. I appreciate this post in itself was trying to rectify the situation nm.

Roger

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Lastly OBNOXIOUS Posting does not solve anything so why do it?

N

Att Northern Monkey,

So it would seem that only your (in my opinion) rose coloured view is legitimate. Unfotunately ,call me what you want-cynic may be a good word-
obnoxious-now my feelings are hurt (really) but McKenna is nothing but a charlatan.I'll give you another excellent example-Derek Acorah.Have you ever been behing the scenes when they have fixed their stage shows?-No-well I most certainly have.If you wish me to rate them as entertainers I will agree.If you expect me to take them seriously,allow me to turn my head and laugh.
Now if you want to talk about properly qualified hypnotists and hypnotherapists employed by a professional company in a professional,medical, capacity then you're talking.

peterh wrote:Att Northern Monkey,

So it would seem that only your (in my opinion) rose coloured view is legitimate. Unfotunately ,call me what you want-cynic may be a good word-
obnoxious-now my feelings are hurt (really) but McKenna is nothing but a charlatan.I'll give you another excellent example-Derek Acorah.Have you ever been behing the scenes when they have fixed their stage shows?-No-well I most certainly have.If you wish me to rate them as entertainers I will agree.If you expect me to take them seriously,allow me to turn my head and laugh.
Now if you want to talk about properly qualified hypnotists and hypnotherapists employed by a professional company in a professional,medical, capacity then you're talking.

Ask what people think on the Hypnosis thread see what they say!! Derek Acorah and Paul McKenna are not Synominous and never will be totally different vocations! I am not claiming to be best buddies with McKenna but the credibility of your claims are flawed in comparison to the documentation of the accomplishments of McKenna and people like him!

Att Northern Monkey
synonymous-spelled correctly.This is not meant to be sarcastic but I think it is good to save the perpetrator further embarassment.

They buy their own degrees, references etc. If the references came from a properly accredited well known,non corruptible source then I would bow down to your greater wisdom and knowledge.However I feel that my body shape will remain vertical.

In life ,where people claim to be something or claim to be able to so something out of the ordinary ,to avoid disappointment, I usually start from a position of mistrust.Now you may think that sad and it is.More often than not my initial feelings are proved to be correct.

Now my initial feelings about you is that you are most probably you're a very nice,well intentioned person so I would prefer the exchange on this subject to end.
I think I'm right-You think you're right.Let's agree to disagree.Kind Regards
NB.I have black and white blood

fair enough

I think that the best way to loose weight is to eat less, that sound really good, however, have you thought about the relationship that exist between our emotional wounds and weight?
I believe that there is a connection between our body and our emotions, so if our emotional hurts are not heal, do you still think we can loose weight?

That is very true, and back to mckenna!!! because this proves my point, this is what he attempts to do with his programme!!

Reading this, I remembered a funny story I heard from a friend: a mutual friend has decided to use a fasting diet to try and lose some weight. After over a week of fasting, she gained few pounds. As a note, it was a water only fast.

carlaval wrote:I think that the best way to loose weight is to eat less, that sound really good, however, have you thought about the relationship that exist between our emotional wounds and weight?
I believe that there is a connection between our body and our emotions, so if our emotional hurts are not heal, do you still think we can loose weight?

absolutely there is a huge connection between our emotional lives and our eating behavior!

But I think the biggest myth about weight loss is to eat LESS. I have a 2 year successful run with a major weight-loss organization (I make no sales pitch, although I love the programme!) and I have learned that in order to lose you have to EAT. Eat the right things at the right time, whatever those truths turn out to be for your personal situation, but those who 'try to eat less' ALWAYS fail, because they can't keep it up for long. The animal body just won't allow it.

Now, truth-telling being my primary weight loss technique, I must confess I am just back from a 2-week vacation where I put all food restrictions aside, and indulged, and I can feel the results around my middle!

still human, still aiming for success, and glad to find you all,

P