Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:davidbanner99@ wrote: The few I did meet who seemed authentically autistic, tended to indeed be marginalised. Myself, I was even more just not understood. You would ask about symptoms and people were clueless. Glad to be out of it. I'd rather study genuine psychology at a clinical level. Sadly this can never be a community. People who don't function in groups can't be a community. This is because communities depend upon social communication. True Aspergoids socialise poorly.
So you marginalize people that don't "seem" authentically autistic to you. You are the self appointed gatekeeper of what is or is not "true" autism. Good luck with that.
No wonder you feel marginalized. When you go around marginalizing other people, it is human nature to return the favor.
I'm afraid the system in America seems broken in the sphere of clinical psychology. The reason Russian research is so much more serious isn't because Russia is more developed as it stands today. It's due to the legacy of research in the USSR as a whole. And trans!ated texts from East Germany. Above all, the fact autism research in the USSR was confined to special schools. Often called schools for neurotics.
Now in the USA autism research is bogged down by a balancing act between two poles of interest:
(1)Clinical psychology
(2)The Neurodiversity movement, which portrays autism as simply a personality type. As far back as 1925 prominent German psychologists (including Kretchmer) stressed we must not confuse "Shizotimia" with types of Clinical Psychopathy.
It's essential to understand and make a note of this point. Here I add a Russian dictionary summary
Pазновидность характера и биотип (тип телосложения), сходный с биотипом больных шизофренией[3][4]. Понятие введено немецким психиатром Эрнстом Кречмером[5]....
Schizotymia
A variety of character and biotype (body type), similar to the biotype of schizophrenia patients [3] [4]. The concept was introduced
by the German psychiatrist Ernst Krechmer [5]. A distinctive feature is sensitivity [3], a closedness (introversion) and distance [3], as well as a weak expressiveness of emotional manifestations (felt of the affect)......Schizotic is not a sign of mental disorder,
Cannot stress this enough. Failure to be aware of this basic distinction led Steve Silberman (Neurotribes) down a path that totally distorted Asperger, G Suhareva, Van Krevelin and others. It totally distorted German psychiatry in the USA, except in more serious university departments.
"So you marginalize people that don't "seem" authentically autistic to you. "
It's not "seem", it's factual psychology, agreed by the leading researchers in the field. You may not like it but this was the overall conclusion we cannot mix two distinct categories of psychology.
To clarify myself, I accept there may well be psychology students who really do suffer clinical autism. Paul Cooijman is a good example. However, it is not unreasonable of me to hesitate to accept your claims without knowing some background of people you quote as "being on the spectrum". Were they non functional in school? Were they genuinely limited socially and professionally? Are we discussing clinical psychology or a diversity movement? This isn't just me. Check out blogs like Cortical Chauvanism by Dr Manuel Casanova.
Last point. The fact I am not popular as you note has two pluses:
(1) I am not educated to follow a trodden path which these days appears to not include solid sources.
(2) I am not going to tell people what they want to hear. I just want to consolidate an accurate portrayal.
Please study the quotes above and check their validity.