Teenage Group Dynamics and Socialization as Per Bullying

Creation of a taxation system that tends towards income and net worth equality would iron out these revengeful tendencies and allow people to more easily focus on doing what they love for success.

JuliusFawcett wrote:Creation of a taxation system that tends towards income and net worth equality would iron out these revengeful tendencies and allow people to more easily focus on doing what they love for success.

Hi Julius,

Interesting!

However, don’t you think that just the Idea of “Success” is suggestive of all that Nasty Kind of Competition and Predatory Exploitation that so corrupts the Heart of our Society today. The War of Each Man against all Others is fought on the Battlefield of Success.

But Your Idea for Re-Structuring the Economy, but for the sake of assuring more Worry-Free Leisure Time for Everybody, could in fact work Wonders, and I am sure such a notion was probably one of the Tacit Assumptions behind your Suggestion.

You see, as much as we find it extremely Unfair that only So Few out of So Many enjoy Leisure, it is in fact this Leisure Class, Now and Throughout History that has promoted the Highest Cultures – sponsoring and supporting Art, Literature, Science and Music, and Not Just the Popular kind of Crap that inundates us today, but the Quality of Art and Literature, and Even Science that appeals to the Highest of Educated Tastes.

Will Durant, famous for having written that 11 Volume Series “Story of Civilization”, was asked whether he didn’t believe that Modern Times represented the High Point of Civilization. He only had to think a moment before asserting that The Peak probably Occurred at around the Age of Voltaire, under the Last Kings of France. All of Europe had been Churning with Artistic and Scientific Activity, and it had all had as its Source either the Personal Involvement or the Sponsorship of the Educated Leisure Classes. Today, we have practically none of that. Even the Wealthy, for the most part, Waste their Lives doing Work… they might do it for 200 Million a Year as some Chairman of the Board CEO, but it still leads to as Equally a Mundane Life as that of any ordinary Assembly Line Worker (if any can still be found).

So, Society, to Re-Invigorate Itself must begin to Educated People for Leisure, NOT for Success – What!? To be Successful Slaves or Successful Masters!? We must have Education for the Sake of Culture and for the Sake of Civilization.

People complain that if they did not have Jobs “To Go To” that they would be bored with Nothing to Do. But we can look back into History and find nearly nobody, such as those who lived in Perfect Leisure in the Court of Louis the XIV “Sun King of France” who complained of Boredom.

When we can celebrate other people's personal victories as well as our own, we are all successful. For me personal success is consistent happiness brought about by being a forgiving, accepting and grateful person. No competition required.

Many people already live a life of leisure, particularly pensioners. I would like to see that extended, we now have the enabling technology.

JuliusFawcett wrote:When we can celebrate other people's personal victories as well as our own, we are all successful. For me personal success is consistent happiness brought about by being a forgiving, accepting and grateful person. No competition required.

Many people already live a life of leisure, particularly pensioners. I would like to see that extended, we now have the enabling technology.

Hi Julius,

Well, yes, if the word 'Success' is taken Benevolently, then even in my relative Poverty I am rather 'successfully' happy. But you KNOW the Literature out there probably even better than I do, and you know how the New Age targets the Money Hungry, and Encourages the Winner Mentality, although they don't make a point of Emphasizing that for every Single "Winner" there must be multiple 'Losers' that fell victim to all the Tricks and Cons that go into making those blasted few Winners.

and Yes, we DO have the Technology to greatly expand the Leisure Society. Every Year the Metric called "Productivity" goes up, that is Production Output per Unit of Labor. Since the 1950's this Productivity metric has gone up Exponentially! But none of the benefits have accrued to the Working Class -- Instead of Leisure, we only got Un-Employment. And Business and Government still don't recognize the problem there -- even Democrats who lament that Unemployment is still so High, even while Business Profits signal a "Recovery", they will Console their Constituents with the Cheery News that "Productivity" is UP... its as though Nobody ever explained to them that as Productivity Goes Up, Employment Goes Down. You want to Increase productivity? Just Fire Somebody! The People who are Supposed to Fix these Things, don't even understand what the Problems are...

they say that Planned Economies and Socialism Can't Work because it has Never Worked Before. but the War Economies during World War II (70 Years Ago!) were ALL Planned... they were All Socialist. Asian Capitalism is largely Planned. And Now, we have Super Computers! We could Crunch Mega-Trillions of Economic Data Factors all in on Holistic Algorithm and it would Have to Work better than the Mindlessness that is Running Things Now.

Thanks, for your Input, Julius. It is nice to find areas in which we agree...

My politics are simple "Peacefully share everything equally" show me a communist that adheres to this principle and I will follow them.

All you write about the current economic and success manuals are true now, and not sustainable. I am optimistic that we are entering a new era of cooperation and sustainability that will be shaped by ever increasing automation and productivity. Technological changes always precede social changes.

JuliusFawcett wrote:My politics are simple "Peacefully share everything equally" show me a communist that adheres to this principle and I will follow them.

All you write about the current economic and success manuals are true now, and not sustainable. I am optimistic that we are entering a new era of cooperation and sustainability that will be shaped by ever increasing automation and productivity. Technological changes always precede social changes.

Way back in the Winter of '17 and '18 the Russian Communist Party had to make a extremely Pivotal Decision which has impacted and still impacts basic Party Communism Policy towards the People it Governs. Here is what happened: World War I was still raging, although Russia had made a separate Peace... they had already been beaten very badly and could take no more. There was next to no Food in the Capital, Saint Petersburg, and there was precious little Gold for buying Food on the International Markets, or Transportation to bring it in, if it could have been bought (while England and the United States cornered the Grain Markets in order to destroy Communism by effectively starving the Russian People... it is still the way the U.S. and Britain attack foreign Governments, by striking at the People who are helpless to do anything about it). So you see the Situation: St. Petersburg, full of its own Population and teaming with Refugees from the Countryside, was on severely cut rations, and even with Rationing, there were simply not enough Calories to keep everybody, or even Most-Everybody alive. Massive Starvation was Inevitable. It was a Dismal Fact staring them in the face. So at a Party Meeting somebody brought up the Motion that in evaluating Who Gets What in the Rationing, that Party Members get some Priority. The Motion was Passed. Up until that Point of Time there had been no distinction between a Party Member and a 'Comrade', that is, an Ordinary Person. But since Then, to be a Member of the Party became a Distinction and a Privilege. (of course, it also became a huge Responsibility which came with a degree of Risk. Under Stalin, Party Members were held to the Highest Standards for Duty, Integrity, and Loyalty, and subsequently many Party Members found 'lacking' or 'corrupt' were 'assigned' to Work Camps in Siberia where they served the Soviet Union by being Workers in the Logging Industry -- what they call the "Gulag". People are mostly unaware that Massive Corruption only began permeating Communism AFTER Stalin, that is, After the Gulag's were shut down and all of the 'corrupt' Inmates were released. These Corrupt Alumni from the Gulags became what we now know of as the Russian Mafia, which again became what is now the core of Russia's Business Elite. Putin's present Popularity with the Russian People stems mostly from enforcing Policies to keep these Thieves and Hoodlums in check... while American and Britain complain of the Human Rights and Liberal Democratic Principles that are perhaps being violated.).

But, yes, THAT Hungry Sad and Cold Day marked perhaps one of the Worst Setbacks in Human Social Progress. Few people Remember, but at the Dawn of the 20th Century the Debate among Historians and Intellectuals was whether the 20 Century would fall to the Communists or the Anarchists. Well, Communism has been Defeated. But nowhere do we hear of Anarchy... but WAIT! The Modern Liberal State -- the Core of the Globalized World -- is effectively RUN by Special Interests and Oligarchs. Politicians have no REAL Independence. The World Governments are in the Pockets of the Rich. Democracy, for all the Praise given it, Only Gives People the Vote, but the Decision on WHO RUNS goes to those who are REALLY in Power -- the Rich People who Fund the Political Campaigns. So ANARCHY did finally Win Out after all! And maybe it was because of that Desperate Motion made back on that Cold, Hungry Sad Day in St. Petersburg. Who knows when Humanity will get another Chance.

I hope you are right in your Sense that something seems to be churning up now. Back in the Sixties the Hippies thought they saw "The Age of Aquarius", or whatever... but all we got was Reagan and Thatcher. For all our Hopes now, we may only get Trump...

Everything happens at the perfect time, when the people have had enough of suffering, they will choose to care more and share more. The 1% has half the money, and the 99% has the numbers. In the early 1900's it took more than 100 times more farmers to farm the land that 1 can look after today. Times have changed, our supermarkets are overflowing, prices always falling. A basic minimum income will come soon, leisure will increase. I feel it in my bones. We are at the last hurrah of neo-liberalism, the days before the people learn to get along better.

When the power of love is greater than the love of power, we will have peace.

JuliusFawcett wrote:Everything happens at the perfect time, when the people have had enough of suffering, they will choose to care more and share more. The 1% has half the money, and the 99% has the numbers. In the early 1900's it took more than 100 times more farmers to farm the land that 1 can look after today. Times have changed, our supermarkets are overflowing, prices always falling. A basic minimum income will come soon, leisure will increase. I feel it in my bones. We are at the last hurrah of neo-liberalism, the days before the people learn to get along better.

When the power of love is greater than the love of power, we will have peace.

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