Looking for help with somnambulism/hallucination

**Posts:** 2 · by **Adeptus** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:33 pm

Hi all

I'm looking for some advice on where to go from here. I've been experimenting with self hypnosis for about a year off and on (not consistent) and am both very frustrated with it and yet longing more and more for it to work.

Ultimately, my goal is to be able to program myself into experiences (not sure how else to say it). I don't much care how. Whether that is through positive hallucination or setting-up triggers for sensory experience or programming lucid dreams, whatever. And maybe my lack of a single path is what's keeping me back, I dunno.

I am fairly convinced that in order to achieve any sort of goal I need to be able to go into a medium-deep somnambulistic state. In theory, alone (through self-hypnosis). Of course part of the problem is knowing when I've reached that state.

As far as deepeners and hypnosis-level tests, I respond very well/easily to eye closure, and decently to hand tingling and temperature sensations. I find any sort of movement very difficult, and the more 'involved' the test is the worse I do at it. I've never achieved arm-raising, leg-freezing, feeling a fly crawl on you, etc...

I have also experimented a bit with self-hypnosis mp3s, of different types. I'm always able to go into (what I feel) is a light trance, but not much deeper. Maybe it's my own disappointment with it that is preventing me. I'm never able to get a hallucination or anything, which is my goal.

Can anyone offer me some suggestions? I'm really not sure what to try and I want a 'road-map' before I invest a huge amount of time doing the same tests over and over. As an example, I read an article somewhere about a guy who had deep positive hallucination triggers built-in so that whenever he went to eat a chocolate bar, it would appear all gross and moldy, so that he didn't want to eat it (to lose weight). Weight loss isn't a goal but I want to be able to give myself some 'programming' like that.

And no, 'seeing a therapist' is not an option, both for monetary reasons and because I am moving out of the country in a month.

**Posts:** 54 · by **Robert Plamondon** » Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:20 pm

I'm in much the same boat. I can pass some kinds of convincers (arm levitation, eye catalepsy, arm catalepsy, etc.) in self-hypnosis, others, such as hallucination, elude me.

With my clients, I've noticed that people with a strong rational streak often fail convincers but do extremely well with hypnotic processes. In particular, scientists, accountants, and engineers often have great difficulty "losing their numbers" and often do poorly with challenges like catalepsy that go against their ideas of physical reality. But give them some guided imagery and they do amazingly well, coming up with lots of vivid supporting details for things I do not describe fully. I'm an engineer myself, so I suspect I'm in the same boat.

I recommend that you do an end-around and work with ideomotor signals to see if you have "stuff" in your way, as described in Cheek and LeCron's hypnotherapy book, or LeCron's self-hypnosis book (both available inexpensively used), or Ewen and Eimer's "Ideomotor Signals for Rapid Hypnoanalysis." These methods only require a very light trance and won't give you any difficulty. I've been chipping away at my own "stuff" with success, though I haven't made much progress with the stranger deep-trance phenomena in self-hypnosis.

Robert

**Posts:** 2 · by **chriswood229** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:17 am

I think it's important to understand that when dealing with negative/positive hallucination this only means that it will feel completely real. For example if you're going for positive hallucinations of a t-rex you wont open your eyes and literally see a t-rex as an indistinguishable part of the environment, it will just feel like it's there.

But the interesting thing is that if you do this with someone and you prompt them to describe it for example they will able to do it wonderfully, even though they wont literally see it. Basically what is happening is they have moved into trance logic, which basically means they will experience and rationalise what is necessary to make the suggestions true.

If you haven't already try recording the dave elman induction and using that induction.

Also I have found if you use the voice inside your head to repeat the suggestions given to you this tends to stop people from sabotaging their own experience.

Also you can try going in and out hypnosis very quickly e.g hypntoise yourself, emerge, immediately hypnotise yourself again, emerge. Repeat this process three times. Then do the induction but add in the positive hallucinations suggestions.

Hopefully this will help you achieve what you are looking for and if you need clarification just let me know

Regards

Christoper Wood

**Posts:** 2 · by **Adeptus** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:47 am

chriswood229 wrote:I think it's important to understand that when dealing with negative/positive hallucination this only means that it will feel completely real. For example if you're going for positive hallucinations of a t-rex you wont open your eyes and literally see a t-rex as an indistinguishable part of the environment, it will just feel like it's there.

Thank you guys for the answers! Sorry it took me so long to respond, I didn't get any responses and promptly forgot about having posted this haha.

I have not seriously pursued this in the last year or two but am now interested in trying in earnest.

Chris, I'm not sure I agree with you/believe you lol. That is not the kind of hallucination others have described. I've heard of hallucinations which looked, feel, sound, smell etc...real, as if the thing/person was actually there physically in front of you. That is the kind of hallucination I am going for. Anything less is meaningless to me (and I'd rather focus on just dream programming then lol).

I've got a process I want to try but the question I have now is:
My own voice, or someone else's?

Is it better to hypnotize myself with my own recorded voice? Because I think I would just be distracted listening to myself lol and too weirded-out to really fall under hypnosis. I've considered using a voice-changer program, but the only other solution I can think of is see if i can get someone else to record for me. Problem is I need like 6 different scripts.

**Posts:** 135 · by **saladinsmith** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:13 pm

Hallucinations are probably going to have to be trained. For most people, they do not come that clearly and vividly at first. You may have to train yourself to visualize, and you may have to train yourself not to disbelieve. If you're interested in learning to hallucinate, you should look up "tulpa imposition". It's a technique people use to hallucinate without hypnosis.

As for hypnotizing yourself, I wish I could give better suggestions, but it's not really working so well for me. There is a book out there about hypnotizing yourself by reading scripts out loud. Maybe if you write up a good hypnosis script, and read it out loud, that will work better for you than listening to your recorded voice?

Getting better at being hypnotized takes practice though. Whatever you do, you should stick with it, and eventuality you'll find yourself getting better.

**Posts:** 11 · by **eternaldreamer** » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:58 pm

Thanks Saladin! Good points

I appreciate the help guys.
I'm going to start another thread because I have a different question, but to this one:

Yes I think the training is certainly important. That's more or less built in to the program outline I'm following. I'm not that concerned with it assuming i can maintain the motivation haha. But I think I will end up writing my own script(s) like you suggested and then seeing if I can't get someone else to record them for me.

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