Book and DVD Review

#15

Postby error265 » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:53 pm

I recommend the book

Bad Thoughts: A Guide to Clear Thinking by Jamie Whyte

The reason i recommend this book is because its often difficult in life to know what data to take onboard as true, and what data to question, its important to know who creates the opinons you hold as these often lead us towards misconceptions and assumptions that are entirely false.

Its a good book post-god-delusion.

Those with religious beliefs will probably struggle...(notice the milton-model used on the word struggle as the word struggle for religious folk lacks referential indices. lol)

Click here to buy it
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bad-Thoughts-Gu ... 837&sr=8-1
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Postby error265 » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:01 pm

I recommend The Definitive Book of Body Language: How to Read Others' Attitudes by Their Gestures by Allan Pease, Barbara Pease.

the reason i recommend this book is: well.. even though if you've read all the NLP textbooks, and read all of the bandler/grinder books and dilts from 1979 (and possibily before if you like your fairshare of transformational grammer) blah blah blah you probably havent ever read a single source of body language information, which this book surely provides, by all means everyone should read the entire history of NLP, Hypnosis, and really psychology, neurology, psychatrity and psychotherapy, but.. this book is a good place for quick hints on body language, and thats why my recommendation is here...

Never be lied to again..
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Definitive-Book ... 194&sr=1-1
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Postby The_Ping » Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:19 pm

error265 wrote:I recommend The Definitive Book of Body Language: How to Read Others' Attitudes by Their Gestures by Allan Pease, Barbara Pease.

the reason i recommend this book is: well.. even though if you've read all the NLP textbooks, and read all of the bandler/grinder books and dilts from 1979 (and possibily before if you like your fairshare of transformational grammer) blah blah blah you probably havent ever read a single source of body language information, which this book surely provides, by all means everyone should read the entire history of NLP, Hypnosis, and really psychology, neurology, psychatrity and psychotherapy, but.. this book is a good place for quick hints on body language, and thats why my recommendation is here...

Never be lied to again..
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Definitive-Book ... 194&sr=1-1


Cheers, i have this book on PDF file in the computer. god, I have so many books on NLP and hypnosis... I think I'll read it... someday...
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Postby Dwallwin » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:43 pm

Hey, Can anyone recommend a basic (but powerful) NLP book/text book looking at the differant aspects of anchoring?

Thanks
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Postby The_Ping » Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:06 am

Dwallwin wrote:Hey, Can anyone recommend a basic (but powerful) NLP book/text book looking at the differant aspects of anchoring?

Thanks

I don't know what is your level, but try "Richard Bandler & John Grinder - Frogs Into Princes"
even though that it is very basic.
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#20

Postby BatFonz » Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:21 pm

I know this isn't specifically Hypnosis related but I know we discuss Derren in some depth in other threads so thought I'd post a brief summation of my thoughts on Pure Effect by Derren Brown

Firstly I solve problems for a living and as such my personality is very much skewed towards understanding all the details that make something work. So with that in mind you need to take what I say next in context that my expectations and others may be very different.

Pure Effect is a very, very engaging book at least I found it so - Derren really just explains several tricks he performed/performs in a step-by-step manner. Along the way we get some of Derren's views concerning how he approaches his tricks & what he personally is trying to achieve.

All in all I enjoyed it...but... yep there's is a 'but'

But IMHO it has been over-hyped, perhaps this is to get more money off us interested parties via eBay or other sites but to get your hands on a legal copy you are looking at £70+ least that's what it cost me. Now the money is one thing, not my main issue because as I said I’m interested in the 'how' he achieves his effects so I would of been willing to pay 100 times more than that to gain some real insight.

I think where I was disappointed was that the full title is 'Pure Effect - Direct Mind-reading & Magical Artistry'. Well I think it is a fantastic book relating to the magical artistry side but the direct mind-reading was minimal I felt. Now I didn't think there was some special trick & once I understood it I would be able to plant thoughts in others heads but I was hopeful he might give more away about his techniques for influencing people. I think where he lost me was during a part where he described 'fully believing' that you can read someone's mind and then basically guessing - if it goes wrong you can joke your way out of it. I understood this approach ala Banachek's fall-back positions for this type of thing but I have been fascinated for years after watching him on mainstream shows seeming to literally mind-read.

I suspect as with most things my own expectation hurt my enjoyment of this book rather than the content, all I would say is if you are interested in Magic over Derren's other aspects of his shows you will not be disappointed, it is a fabulous book in this respect.

I know a lot of you guys have posted that you have an interest personal / professional in Mentalism so I was wondering, I have read '13 Steps...' and 'Psychological Subtleties', other books from Amazon but... what do you recommend? am I even looking in the right places to gain a better understanding?

Thanks, Simon
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Postby Anthony Jacquin » Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:46 pm

Thanks for putting up a review. Is the book out of print or something - or are you buying one of the first editions with the effects 'Lift' and 'Reminiscence'? If so then I guess 70 is worth it.

To me the book is much more about the 'pure effect' portion of the title than any other. With regard to direct mind reading - your post suggest that such a skill 'really' exists. If that is what you think then I can understand why the books actual effects would be a disappointment. Perhaps it does and it is just me that is missing the point. In my opinion the authors efforts are more to do with answering the question 'if mind reading was real how would it look?'. The book answers this question.

I think you are reading the right books. The three you have mentioned are all classics and streets ahead of many others. You could perhaps add, DB's Absolute Magic, Ian Rowlands Full Facts of Cold Reading and maybe Bob Cassidy's Art of Mentalsim, even go so far as Luke Jermay Building Blocks and Sleight of Mind. If you cannot 'do' direct mind reading after assimilating that lot then you might be better off just accepting that doing hypnosis is easier to learn and will allow you to pull off mind reading effects and so much more.

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Postby BatFonz » Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:10 pm

Thanks Ant for the recommendations

I can see how after re-reading my post it comes across like I 'believe' you can mind-reads - that's not the case but I have seen the effect where the only explanation I could see was Derren was influencing people to think of what he wanted them too... I was hoping perhaps for more 'meat' around how he produces this effect

I know that these effects wouldn't be so impressive if they were easily discoverable

I do suspect my expectations were too high & which as at this point I had not read anything relating to Mentalism so I didn't really know what to expect
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Postby Anthony Jacquin » Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:54 pm

Well there is a difference between direct mind reading and him influencing people to go a certain way. The mentalism I do normally begins by setting the record straight 'I don't do mind reading, I only do mind forcing'. There is a difference.

So you have a choice intuition and trickery or psychological forces and trickery. I prefer the latter.

Ant :shock:
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Postby mkd22 » Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:10 pm

Hi Ant,

Can you please enlarge on Mind Forcing?

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Postby Anthony Jacquin » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:58 am

Putting thoughts into your head rather than pulling them out.

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Postby error265 » Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:30 am

i personally wonder if mind forcing is more achievable than mind pulling...

I've had alot of difficulty with mind pulling myself. lol
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Postby london123 » Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:04 am

REGRESSION HYPNOTHERAPY by Randal Churchill

HYPNOTHERAPY by Dave Elman

MY VOICE WILL GO WITH YOU: The teaching tales of Milton H Erickson Edited by Sidney Rosen

TRAINING TRANCES by John Overdurf and Julie Silverthorn.

TRANSFORMING THERAPY, A NEW APPROACH TO HYPNOTHERAPY by Gil Boyne

TRANCE-FORMATION by John Grinder and Richard Bandler

Monster's & Magical Sticks seven heller

Clark Hull Hypnosis and Suggestibility

word weaving volumes 1and 2

hypnosis for inner conflic resolution

hypnosis: advanced techniques of hypnotherapy and hypnoanalysis
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Postby The_Ping » Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:15 am

Don't care what you say, "Hypnotherapy" by Elman is the best book on hypnosis ever!!! absolutely pretty amazing! he wrote in order the reader will understand and will know how to do hypnosis. very very readable.

in spite of that in the Erickson's books there is really superb stuff. actually there are some more good books on hypnosis.
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#29

Postby ratman » Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:06 am

Hi Ant,

Can you recommend any books on mind forcing?
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