A Few Words On Censorship

ı can understand that. My posts are idiotic repettitive and a state of self conversation.

davidbanner99@ wrote:Myself and Richard don't buy the euthanasia line either. Candid does, however.

Premeditated genocide, actually. Euthanasia is too soft a word, implies a loving shot for someone or some pet in intractable pain.

The mass jabbing campaign is now being investigated by the Metropolitan Police as, among other things, "conspiracy to administer a poisonous and noxious substance to cause serious harm and death", https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-n ... n-england/, although you'll see denial of that all over the www.

Yes, the Metropolitan Police used the word conspiracy in live case 6029679/21, every police station in the UK has been informed of it, and the evidence is pouring in. It includes the "increase in all-cause mortality in males aged 15-19 since the Pfizer covid vaccine rollout commenced in this age group in May 2021. [...] ONS have acknowledged in the High Court in London that the figure of 402 excess deaths is significantly higher than the previous five-year average of 337 deaths. It has proved impossible to get the actual data. Indeed they stated it is probably an underestimate because of delays for coroners’ cases. This equates to at least two additional teenage boys dying each week of the roll-out, possibly more."

There's masses of evidence; I'm spending too many of my days reviewing it. That's what's kept me away from the forum. It's definitely ON, no matter what Reuters says. This is a thread about censorship, right?
On Monday 20th December 2021, a criminal complaint was formally lodged with the Metropolitan Police at the Hammersmith Police Station, London. The case was reported to all police stations, which were forced to get involved in data collection. The victims of the injections were requested through various means to provide their testimony.

As a result of this process, there are vaccination centers that are being notified of their "crime scene" status.
https://diariodevallarta.com/en/vacunac ... acunacion/

Whoa, 8:54am. Back later.

The victims of the injections were requested through various means to provide their testimony.

Would that include clairvoyantcy? I thought the 'victims' died?

I don't think it's deliberate but it's correct deaths have resulted. One girl just lost both her parents and says she's got nobody left. The official verdict by the hospital was death from Covid. And yet her parents had had the vaccine. So, either the vaccine is useless or the vaccine itself killed her parents. Why? Because people always will react in unpredictable ways to toxins. We all vary genetically.
I will add, whichever way you look at it this problem extends to a collapse of democracy and human rights, labour rights and civilization. And now we're being led towards a potential nuclear war. It's the same mentality of arrogant, unqualified and stupid political leaders who feel a sense of omnipotence. Yes, more people are becoming aware but it may be too late.

I was stunned by some of the hypocritical dialogue emerging from Johnson and co. What's all this hype about the sanctity of sovereign nations? Does that extend to Iraq and Serbia I had to ask?
Intervention in another country is a worrying step to take. In Putin's eyes it's based on Russia's own security. Let's assume Mexico held the view Arizona was part of its borders and, by the same token, Mexico was being armed to the teeth and encouraged by other nations. Would you wait or would you intervene to prevent a potentially larger war?
Another snag is politically the problem can't be solved due to the string of broken agreements. For example, Russia promised never to use military force against Ukraine after it gave up its nuclear status. That promise has been broken. However, NATO promised not to expand to Russia's borders around 1990. That promise was broken. Germany promised to seek a peaceful, democratic future. That promise was likewise broken as Germany once more stirs up war in Europe.

Candid wrote:There's masses of evidence; I'm spending too many of my days reviewing it. That's what's kept me away from the forum. It's definitely ON, no matter what Reuters says. This is a thread about censorship, right?

So which is it Candid. Is there “masses of evidence”? Or is it censorship?

You don’t believe you have access to information that the rest of the public is unable to access, right? I mean, you are not hacking into servers to bring us this information, right? All you are doing is accessing certain very publicly available websites that billions of people can access.

I agree with you that the evidence shows the vaccines have had some terrible impacts. I agree there are “victims” of the vaccine mandates. There are many people that have suffered horrible side effects, after being threatened by those in power. They are victims. It is wrong and hopefully there will be a price to pay for anyone that willingly coerced, threatened, or otherwise mandated vaccinations.

I do not agree with your “genocide” hogwash. Even in the numbers you published it is utter bull$@#$ hyperbole to suggest some massive death spike. Two additional deaths a week in a population of millions is not friggin genocide Candid. Just stop with your fantasy sky is falling crap. Get your head out of the “masses of evidence” that have your mind so warped that you are losing any hint of perspective. Come back to reality.

desperate788 wrote:ı can understand that. My posts are idiotic repettitive and a state of self conversation.

Why? You just gave an understandable response to Candid's comment. That means you considered her remark, acknowledged the remark and then answered her.
So, why do you post content most of the time that nobody will respond to? Not because they are being rude but simply because there's no give and take of opinion. An example: I start a thread "The cow jumped over the moon". I add, "three blind mice saw a cow jump over the moon"
Are Richard and Candid + Tokeless going to respond? No. They will assume the message is me destressing.
Candid was perhaps a little harsh but I do think if you make genuine contributions to discussion that would eventually alter.

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:

Candid wrote:There's masses of evidence; I'm spending too many of my days reviewing it. That's what's kept me away from the forum. It's definitely ON, no matter what Reuters says. This is a thread about censorship, right?

So which is it Candid. Is there “masses of evidence”? Or is it censorship?

You don’t believe you have access to information that the rest of the public is unable to access, right? I mean, you are not hacking into servers to bring us this information, right? All you are doing is accessing certain very publicly available websites that billions of people can access.

I agree with you that the evidence shows the vaccines have had some terrible impacts. I agree there are “victims” of the vaccine mandates. There are many people that have suffered horrible side effects, after being threatened by those in power. They are victims. It is wrong and hopefully there will be a price to pay for anyone that willingly coerced, threatened, or otherwise mandated vaccinations.

I do not agree with your “genocide” hogwash. Even in the numbers you published it is utter bull$@#$ hyperbole to suggest some massive death spike. Two additional deaths a week in a population of millions is not friggin genocide Candid. Just stop with your fantasy sky is falling crap. Get your head out of the “masses of evidence” that have your mind so warped that you are losing any hint of perspective. Come back to reality.

Do I detect a hint of frustration? I agree with you that she seems to get bogged into mainstream conspiracy but, then again, she often scores good points.

It's definitely odd that this obsessive vaccine agenda ties in with biblically destructive weather. A very high percentage of anti vaxers are convinced the Covid agenda is a con from "A" to "Z". The real agenda is to reduce population, it's thought.
What is certain is people can be justified in not trusting the vaccine agenda simply because there has been deceit all along the line. Then, throw in the weather. Parts of the UK are now under water and many left homeless. I heard the gales last night and wondered if part of a tree would end up bursting through my window. Some power lines are down in certain areas.
Conclusion. Global change is indeed real. To be honest, when I look at the roads now, jammed with vehicles, I can see the environmental implication. Population has limits and this is a mess.
Now, those who - like Candid - feel all of this Covid agenda is a genocide attempt to reduce population, can be forgiven for being suspicious. Even Eric Clapton is with them. I myself just have to ask are governments really so stupid as to pull an underhanded stunt using drugs to reduce population. If it were me, I would hike up fuel prices instead, tell people the truth about environmental issues and educate changes in thinking, through open information.
Still, with people like Bozo in power, maybe it's true governments are as stupid as conspiracy theorists feel they are. Clearly Bozo himself was caught out by those party shots that clearly exposed his own fears about a killer virus risk were zilch. This was after his lockdown.
To add: If the lockdowns were designed to save the environment, the rush to a potential thermonuclear war is a but like 180 degrees back in the opposing direction. And even if war stays conventional, it's hardly going to be environmentally friendly.

davidbanner99@ wrote:…she often scores good points.

David, whatever “good points” are scored become wasted when those points are then conflated with some absolutely demented delusional hyperbolic horseshit.

That people have been victimized by their own governments is a good point. But that point is lost when 2 additional deaths each week is conflated with genocide.

Candid thinks she is doing some sort of investigative reporting, when actually all she is doing is using a mouse to click links on the Internet like everyone else. She is building her own rabbit hole as she creates her own highly distorted version of reality.

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:

davidbanner99@ wrote:…she often scores good points.

David, whatever “good points” are scored become wasted when those points are then conflated with some absolutely demented delusional hyperbolic horseshit.

That people have been victimized by their own governments is a good point. But that point is lost when 2 additional deaths each week is conflated with genocide.

Candid thinks she is doing some sort of investigative reporting, when actually all she is doing is using a mouse to click links on the Internet like everyone else. She is building her own rabbit hole as she creates her own highly distorted version of reality.

I was thinking about "reality" late into the night. Triggered by Zen philosophy.
I think very many of us live in our own reality - and that includes me too. In "my reality" I perceive myself to be somehow more attractive and interesting in real life than other people would view me. I hide any failures in a fog of clung-to successes. I plan all sorts of goals and objectives but seem to drift on auto. As you think carefully, many people live in a similar narrow reality. In Zen, the goal is to see yourself as others do but, in so doing, bear in mind that neither your own, or third party reality, may form the true picture.
Interesting to consider how Tokeless and Candid have opposite views but that is influenced by their different realities. Tokeless works in the NHS and is surrounded by people who "believe in medicine". Tokeless too probably lacks time to read skeptical arguments on governments. I suspect too Tokeless sees a half full cup.
Meantime, Candid is surrounded by people who are alarmed by the creeping attacks on democracy. She too is in her group.
The riddle is to find the real Candid and Tokeless amongst the bias of their own, subjective realities.

"We are automata entirely controlled by the forces of the medium being tossed about like corks on the surface of the water, but mistaking the resultant of the impulses from the outside for free will. The movements and other actions we perform are always life preservative and the seemingly quite independent from one another, we are connected by invisible links” — Nikola Tesla"

davidbanner99@ wrote:I was thinking about "reality" late into the night. Triggered by Zen philosophy.
I think very many of us live in our own reality - and that includes me too.
The riddle is to find the real Candid and Tokeless amongst the bias of their own, subjective realities.

Yes, we all live in our own realities. But there is a huge difference between a functional reality and one that is so delusional that it has become barely connected to reality.

The Seekers were a group studied by Leon Festinger in his now seminal works on cognitive dissonance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seekers_(rapturists)

Even after the alien ship did not arrive, many were so deep down the rabbit hole they couldn’t get out. They had to continue the delusion.

I don’t agree with tokeless and think his perception and defense of government mandates as “good” is solidly off the mark, but his observations are founded in and connected to reality. Candid’s observations are not tethered to anything but the barest sliver of reality.

Tokeless has a functional perspective of reality. Candid has a dysfunctional perspective of reality, believing the sky is falling.

I suspect Tokeless had a relatively stable upbringing. I guess this on the basis Tokeless tends to trust authority. Of course, I may be wrong. On the other hand, Candid may have found in early life you can't always trust teachers, bosses and so on. So, as Tesla cleverly noted - out take on reality is a reaction to impressions made upon us.
As to me, my distrust goes beyond Candid's since Candid still trusts groups. She assumes the groups who share our distrust of governments are paragons of virtue. This thread explained why that's not the case. I found illogical anti semitism on conspiracy forums. I also found disregard for free speech. It was not done to disagree with David Icke. To do so meant posts were removed. That's where my respect vanished and my distrust of groups and charlatans was reanimated. Of course, 25 years ago I read a lot of books on cults, The Moonies and deprogrammers. For me Covid is a cult but some conspiracy groups are cults too. Not all, but some.

This current mess is predictable. Putin sends peacekeepers to East Ukraine. Kiev meantime has an ultra nationalist leadership outraged by the idea of Russian interference and occupation. Poland has historical tensions with Russia. The Baltic States blame Russia for Stalinism.
I dare say West Ukraine will oppose Russian troops, aided by other countries. The conflict will worsen. It could get dangerous if neighbours send people to fight Russian troops.
I just read Gorbachev's view and he says diplomacy is the only way. Trump might have been able to avoid this crisis of course.

Tokeless too probably lacks time to read skeptical arguments on governments. I suspect too Tokeless sees a half full cup.

Can't beat a bit of cloakroom analysis. David, you have no clue on who I am and what I believe. Because i accepted a vaccine when others didn't or don't trust them is not me accepting authority or trusting government. People who do actually know me would laugh at the suggestion. Just because I don't throw burning vessels of hot oil at the man in the high tower doesn't mean I follow, believe or bow to authority. I am very sceptical of authority but I don't pick fights I can't win. I focus on the changes I can make, not digging for evidence to support the belief they're out to get me. The government couldn't care less about me, that's my job. So, it would really help if you discuss your own beliefs and not try and project your nonsense on me. You have no clue, really, you don't.