A Few Words On Censorship

tokeless wrote: Oh, then he created an attempted overthrowing of Capitol hill and thinks white supremacists are good people too.

And you actually believe this. That is the problem.

How many times do you need to defend yourself against a claim that you are racist tokeless? How many times do you need to repeat the same answer to get people to recognize that maybe the media is painting a picture by asking the same questions again and again and again, hoping to twist some nugget of a response into a usable soundbite that will get people that want to think you think white supremacists are good people too?

https://youtu.be/Bd0cMmBvqWc

I'm fairly confident you are referring to the one time when he talked about Charlottesville and he said, "There were good people on both sides". And the media ran with that as Trump thinking white supremacists are good people.

What law, executive order, or action did Trump take that shows he thinks white supremacists are good people?

This is the problem we are facing, that people seek to twist the words of others and spin the meaning into other than intended. And you buy it?

How many times do you need to defend yourself against a claim that you are racist tokeless?

I guess as many times as I'm accused of being one when I haven't mentioned race as a factor.
Btw, are you saying the incident on Capitol hill didn't happen? Was it green screen d'ya think?

tokeless wrote:Btw, are you saying the incident on Capitol hill didn't happen?

Oh, it happened. It happened the same way the Black Lives Matter protests happened and the same way the Canadian Freedom Convoy is happening.

It's not a question of whether it happened. It's a question of where you are trying to place the blame. I wonder, do you even know what really happened? Do you know how many people were actually killed by intentional violence that day?

Just a guess, but I'm guessing your understanding of events differs from my understanding. But let me share my understanding...

Trump asked his supporters to gather at the capital. Trump gave a speech where he stated, "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard,"

Some of the supporters tried to forcefully enter the capital building and used violence. Others were granted access and walked around freely in the capital building, peacefully protesting. One supporter was shot dead by a police officer. No other person died from an act of violence that day.

How exactly was Trump responsible for the supporters that got out of hand and have subsequently been arrested?

The liberal version of events wants to paint it as an "insurrection"...an attempt to overthrow the government. It is hyperbolic, inflammatory rhetoric. It didn't happen. If there was a planned insurrection it would have involved a lot more than a few unarmed protestors using flag poles and handles of protest signs to defeat the heavily armed capital force.

On this occasion, Tokeless holds a minority view on the forum as myself and Candid are pro-Trump.

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:

tokeless wrote:Btw, are you saying the incident on Capitol hill didn't happen?

Oh, it happened. It happened the same way the Black Lives Matter protests happened and the same way the Canadian Freedom Convoy is happening.

It's not a question of whether it happened. It's a question of where you are trying to place the blame. I wonder, do you even know what really happened? Do you know how many people were actually killed by intentional violence that day?

Just a guess, but I'm guessing your understanding of events differs from my understanding. But let me share my understanding...

Trump asked his supporters to gather at the capital. Trump gave a speech where he stated, "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard,"

Some of the supporters tried to forcefully enter the capital building and used violence. Others were granted access and walked around freely in the capital building, peacefully protesting. One supporter was shot dead by a police officer. No other person died from an act of violence that day.

How exactly was Trump responsible for the supporters that got out of hand and have subsequently been arrested?

The liberal version of events wants to paint it as an "insurrection"...an attempt to overthrow the government. It is hyperbolic, inflammatory rhetoric. It didn't happen. If there was a planned insurrection it would have involved a lot more than a few unarmed protestors using flag poles and handles of protest signs to defeat the heavily armed capital force.

You need to watch 4 hours at the Capitol. Taken from a pro Trump recording on cam corder.... a police officer also died day Richard. Trump said "See you there as he told them to March... he never got there... surprise?

davidbanner99@ wrote:On this occasion, Tokeless holds a minority view on the forum as myself and Candid are pro-Trump.

Thank **** for that. Many thought Hitler was a great guy...

Canada could be significant. The protest is totally massive, which shows how many people are convinced the lockdowns are a con. Pressure is on to attempt to force the convoys to disperse but that's an unknown equation. It could lead to major violence. Plus there are children and police reluctant to escalate.
My take on it these days is that this kind of popular uprising remains the only option in some countries. Without that, the lunatics in office will continue to destroy whole societies, businesses and pretty much all freedom.
What isn't clear to me yet is the actual conspiracy angle. More people now than ever adopted Candid's view of government conspiracy. What strengthens that perception is censorship of the media and repression of dissent. To anyone it looks very suspicious. Once media starts to remove views that challenge the State, alarm bells will ring.
If Canadians remove the hygiene fascists by revolt, it could have a snowball effect.

tokeless wrote:.... a police officer also died day Richard. Trump said "See you there as he told them to March... he never got there... surprise?

-1- Which police officer? You mean Brian Sicknick, the officer that was ruled to have died the day after the protests from two strokes?

But let's assume you are correct. Let's pretend that the pepper spray was the cause of death and the medical examiner was bought and paid for. Dozens of officers are killed each year in the US. It doesn't make it the fault of any president.

-2- If I'm a politician and say, "peacefully and patriotically" and then am informed some supporters have started using violence, it should be no surprise to anyone that I don't show up, that I never "got there".

I get why you believe what you believe. You don't actually offer anything other than exactly what the liberal content creators have offered up. You deviate from the liberal narrative by 0%.

Personally, I hope Trump never runs for office again. I think it is sad that out of 330 million people the best we had to offer up to the nation was Trump vs. Hillary.

It appears Chuck Norris is a Donald Trump supporter and Trump a fan of the martial arts.
Norris took a bit of heat some time ago for sort of rigid Christian views and support for guns. Norris - like Schwarzenegger - remains a Republican. Except Norris is a strict Christian these days.

Ukraine conflict could surprise a few people. I read that mostly foreigners are influential there and Ukrainians displaced in higher positions. It's true there are a percentage of hardline nationalists in the country but only a part of the population.
Much of the outcry could be once more propaganda because a lot of foreign owned companies operate in Ukraine. Any actual war could be very brief and uneventful. Lots of Ukrainians have family in Russia and are probably indifferent. Plus, Putin likely doesn't intend to control Ukraine, simply to choke off foreign intervention. Thus, the huge Russian army may be more symbolic.
Time will tell but I suspect the hype about a massive war is pure propaganda. Most of the pain will hit global interest groups who sought to use Ukraine as an asset.

Time will tell but I suspect the hype about a massive war is pure propaganda.

Which is what you were telling us not that long ago

"Which is what you were telling us not that long ago[/quote]"

Time will tell. It could be dangerous if Baltic states get involved, or Poland. There lies the danger. Trump warned about that but was bombarded by media accusations.
When I lived a short time in the Baltics, I found a lot of animosity and nationalism. That's always been the downfall of Europe and something Thatcher was right about.
The US is now in a very awkward position, possibly forced to allign with unstable EU states. Whereas Trump tended to prefer to cooperate with Russia as more stable in the long term.
However, knowing the Russians, if they do intervene in Ukraine it will be a speedy process. To avoid drawing in other countries.

I found this video of Chuck Norris partying in Moscow.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VUFYBdZAOPI

Norris and Trump were both intrigued by investment in Russia.
Norris isn't the only man in town to have "bedded" Russian go-go girls - I had my share too. Even so, I find Russian females these days too giggly and dizzy. Plus, I'm too old for the fast life.

"In August 1993, a new casino opened in one of the 7 Stalin skyscrapers in Moscow. It was called ‘The Firebird’, but only three years later, in 1996, The Firebird ceased to exist and was replaced by a newly opened casino named ‘Beverly Hills’.
The opening party was lavish and the list of attendees was impressive. Donald Trump, Las Vegas Mayor Jan Laverty Jones and movie star Chuck Norris, who reportedly owned a 50% share in the casino, all attended the grand opening."