induced into a completely hypnotic Alpha state,during ritual

**Posts:** 1 · by **soulhunter** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:02 am

hi there

first time poster, long time reader.

I'm still a little unsure about coming public with this information, as when i say it out loud it wounds like juju (although i know there is very much a scientific and phsychological science behind it)

To start with I'd like to point out that this is a true series of events.
I am in no way here to try and cause drama, troll people, or seek attention for the things that have happened to me.
This is a very difficult thing i've had to come to terms with alone, and it has been traumatic - but i am dealing with it slowly but surely.
what i cannot deal with, is the fact that it KEEPS repeatedly happening.

I've been to 2 hypnotherapists who say it simply isn't possible, and that people under hypnosis can get up and walk out (completely untrue in my case)
I've seen countless doctors who try and convince me that I am suffering from sleep paralysis (which I'm not)

it's gotten to the point where i'm now having to go to see psychiatric nurses who are prescribing me things from sertraline to olanzapine - and also don't seem to be able to explain what they believe my "problem" to be.
I am fully lucid when talking about this (they even cite how calm i am at discussing my experience as a possible symptom im making it up, which makes me thing 'hold on, if i was shouting and screaming and crying about it they'd tell me i was out of my head' so that doesn't make sense to me either....) :roll:

i believe that the medical professionals involved have had no experience with the sort of psychological abuse that has been done to me, and therefore are mistaking their unfamiliarity with the subject, for it not existing... :oops:

basically what happened was, after being induced into a very deep hypnosis one night, he had some sort of ability to do a "shock induction" on me.

the way it works is; i'll be completely asleep.
He'll sneak out of the room,
then as he burts in the room shouting my brain goes into panic mode.
i hear a really strong over-riding voice in my head saying "play dead!!" so i thrust myself into my pillow and pretend to be asleep.
meanwhile the rest of me is awake and up in an almost trance state.

so consciously i can't move, i'm frozen stiff from my brain down to my medulla, and can't move a muscle - just like sleep paralysis, but i can hear myself answering his questions in third person.

i can hear it's my voice, just like i'm not able to control or stop it.

also he does anything to me in that state, and im paralyses so i can't stop him.

at first i blamed myself but now he's taught the trick to his friends.

anyone who bursts in on me sleeping somehow knows how to freeze me into this position and i become completely trapped at their mercy.

it makes me feel revolted.
every doctor i've gone to about it almost laughs at me, saying it's not possible to be raped if you didn't even tell them no.
no-one seems to understand, and no-one will listen.

does anyone understand the science behind this?

please help

SHE
x

**Posts:** 57 · by **ResonantParoxysm** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:13 pm

So from what I am understanding you are being hypnotized and raped and then the doctors aren't believing you? I'd like to start by letting you know that your hypnotherapist are right and wrong. The thing about hypnosis is that you can only be hypnotized if you allow yourself to. At any moment during the hypnosis if there is something that your conscious wouldn't allow you to do that comes up, you will either refrain from doing it or you will wake up. So yes you can get up and walk out but only if you want to. If your subconscious state of mind doesn't feel threatened then you will most likely stay in the rested state. Everything thing during hypnotism that someone has you do is in some form of a suggestion. If someone wants you to so something they will mention it in a way that lets your mind first consider it and since you are really tired you are bound to do what someone asks of you as long as it isn't so threatening to you that you will wake up. Kind of like how when you're dream turns into a nightmare. You are asleep until something that makes you feel completely unsettled causes you to wake up. So, maybe it's possible that you're a lot more accepting of things subconsciously. I don't want to ask you the wrong questions but do you know how you feel about having sex? Your answer could potentially be why you aren't resisting. I'm not too familiar with shock induction but from the looks of it it's a mind trick that is used to make you concentrate on something (sleeping) by distracting you at first. If you are already asleep I would assume that there is no need for much of a distraction and therefore it is easy for a repeat induction because your brain is accustomed to the trick they are using. Go see a new doctor and tell them everything. Hire a professional hypnotist to come with you to explain hypnotism to someone who can help you out. Good luck.

P.S. I am not into practicing hypnotism in any way. Im just going off of the things that I was taught about hypnotism is highschool so its probably best to verify my statements with some quick research. I feel confident in what I'm saying but I wouldn't use it as a perfect explanation for hypnotism.

**Posts:** 135 · by **saladinsmith** » Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:45 pm

In my humble opinion, anyone who tells you that you can't be made do anything you don't want under hypnosis is either outright lying, or hasn't tried very hard.

Derren Brown showed in his Assassin show that a person can be hypnotized to immerse themselves in water cold enough to be deadly, and hypnotized to commit an assassination, and have no memory of it afterward.

There are a number of stories in the news about hypnotists who have taken advantage of subjects sexually, The victims weren't able to fight back at the time, but later remembered what happened, or at least suspected enough to record their sessions.

Now this may only work for a small number of subjects, but the truth is that it can happen, and people should be aware of it.

I also noticed that you mentioned ritual in the thread title, but didn't give details in the post itself. What you're talking about may go beyond hypnosis and into the realm of ritual abuse. If you've been tortured in the past, that can be used to implant even deeper and stronger suggestions than hypnosis alone can do. Look up "ritual abuse" on google and you'll find some good resources.

**Posts:** 54 · by **hypnotism** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:58 pm

soulhunter wrote:hi there

first time poster, long time reader.

I'm still a little unsure about coming public with this information, as when i say it out loud it wounds like juju (although i know there is very much a scientific and phsychological science behind it)

To start with I'd like to point out that this is a true series of events.
I am in no way here to try and cause drama, troll people, or seek attention for the things that have happened to me.
This is a very difficult thing i've had to come to terms with alone, and it has been traumatic - but i am dealing with it slowly but surely.
what i cannot deal with, is the fact that it KEEPS repeatedly happening.

I've been to 2 hypnotherapists who say it simply isn't possible, and that people under hypnosis can get up and walk out (completely untrue in my case)
I've seen countless doctors who try and convince me that I am suffering from sleep paralysis (which I'm not)

it's gotten to the point where i'm now having to go to see psychiatric nurses who are prescribing me things from sertraline to olanzapine - and also don't seem to be able to explain what they believe my "problem" to be.
I am fully lucid when talking about this (they even cite how calm i am at discussing my experience as a possible symptom im making it up, which makes me thing 'hold on, if i was shouting and screaming and crying about it they'd tell me i was out of my head' so that doesn't make sense to me either....)

i believe that the medical professionals involved have had no experience with the sort of psychological abuse that has been done to me, and therefore are mistaking their unfamiliarity with the subject, for it not existing...

basically what happened was, after being induced into a very deep hypnosis one night, he had some sort of ability to do a "shock induction" on me.

the way it works is; i'll be completely asleep.
He'll sneak out of the room,
then as he burts in the room shouting my brain goes into panic mode.
i hear a really strong over-riding voice in my head saying "play dead!!" so i thrust myself into my pillow and pretend to be asleep.
meanwhile the rest of me is awake and up in an almost trance state.

so consciously i can't move, i'm frozen stiff from my brain down to my medulla, and can't move a muscle - just like sleep paralysis, but i can hear myself answering his questions in third person.

i can hear it's my voice, just like i'm not able to control or stop it.

also he does anything to me in that state, and im paralyses so i can't stop him.

at first i blamed myself but now he's taught the trick to his friends.

anyone who bursts in on me sleeping somehow knows how to freeze me into this position and i become completely trapped at their mercy.

it makes me feel revolted.
every doctor i've gone to about it almost laughs at me, saying it's not possible to be raped if you didn't even tell them no.
no-one seems to understand, and no-one will listen.

does anyone understand the science behind this?

please help

SHE
x

man that was interesting!!!

**Posts:** 22 · by **Helen Joy** » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:07 pm

Soulhunter, it's been while since you posted, what has happened since?

**Posts:** 54 · by **Robert Plamondon** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:59 pm

People don't believe in tonic immobility/tonic hypnosis anymore? That's a new one on me.

Some therapists, especially ones who work with trauma, extend the concept of "fight or flight" to lists like "fight, flight, submit, freeze, play dead." These are all straightforward biological responses, and it's a sad commentary on professional training that any professional can be unaware of this.

The idea that a semiconscious person can't be raped because "it's not rape unless you say 'No!' n a loud clear voice" is equally disturbing.

That pablum about hypnosis being perfectly safe is reasonably true for ordinary, office-based hypnotherapy sessions. In the context of ongoing abuse, where hypnosis is just one arrow in the abusers' brutal quiver, it's not that simple.

If you look for therapists with experience helping people who've been through repeated, systematic, deliberate childhood abuse, you'll do better, since they'll grasp the ABC's of the issue. Look for a therapist near the middle of the wimpy-to-scary continuum.

Robert

**Posts:** 332 · by **Hypnoboy** » Sat May 07, 2016 7:35 am

soulhunter wrote:hi there

first time poster, long time reader.

I'm still a little unsure about coming public with this information, as when i say it out loud it wounds like juju (although i know there is very much a scientific and phsychological science behind it)

Your casual remark : and when I say it out loud like juju is actually important

I had to think about juju, find info about it on the net; let me quote a part of the Wikipedia:

Juju is sometimes used to enforce a contract or ensure compliance. In a typical scenario, a juju spell will be placed on a Nigerian woman before she is trafficked into Europe for a life in prostitution, to ensure that she will pay back her traffickers and won't escape.[5][6][7] The witch doctor casting the spell requires a payment for this service.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juju

I dont know much about Juju (or Voodoo), but sometimes you hear terrible stories, and it is stunning / shocking to find out how many people are involved in it in some African countries. (like entire nations) The people who practise this know very well how psychology works and have a lot of control/influence about other people's lives.

What it looks like to me is that you have an African or Afro-American background and these men you refer to also have that and are probably familiair with these practises and/or make a derivate of these juju rituals.

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