Omega-3 fats seem to cause me anxiety

paulo111 wrote:

Denley wrote:Omega-3 is very effective for the health. I have also used this supplement. There is no side effect and you can use It without any hesitation.

But he just said he gets a side effect of anxiety when taking omega -3 so clearly for some people is does indeed cause side effects? Any supplement can cause issues for people. In fact ironically when you start to get a mineral you are deficient in into your body it can lead to detox, a symptom of detox is excess anxiety. I've had this before, all blood work showed I had low vitamin D, for the first 2 months of taking vitamin D spray my anxiety stepped up, so I had to lower the dose, until the anxiety (and detox) was less, then 2 weeks later up it a little, monitor symptoms. After a while I could tolerate it much more.

LOL. I think the "side affects" I get from omega 3's is due to a digestive problem that I have. So if I was "fixed" in my digestive problems than no I don't think I would get any side affects. But for now I definitely avoid omega3 b/c I can't handle it very well b/c of the anxiety that it causes.

paulo111 wrote:

Roger Elliott wrote:Just a quick thought Paulo - I have read that because vits A and D are so interactive, a deficiency of A can lead to problems taking D. How's your liver intake?

My vitamin D levels are ok now, and I think the core of the issue was malabsorbtion. I also had my genetics tested, and I have a "VDR Taq" double mutation. VDR Taq is the vitamin D receptor: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16101324
Which makes me prone to low vitamin D, albeit last time I checked my levels were ok.

Which genetics test did you do, and/or which one would you recommend? I did one for liver and I found I had mutation of CYP3a4 gene, which detoxes a about half of drugs among other things. http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=cyp3a4+mutation&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Glad this thread it still active lol. I recently found out my thyroid might be having problems, which is apparently easy to manipulate, so I will know more when I do a test. Otherwise, it's not easy to diagnose these problems. I was diagnosed with leaky gut about 18 months ago, which I concurred based on the evidence, but I haven't been able to heal it since despite continued efforts of food avoidance and supplementation.

I did just start drinking kefir, including goat and cow, which I really enjoy. It should help the bacteria in my digestive system and hence leaky gut. But I've never really felt benefits from straight probiotic supplements before so I'm not being overly hopeful. Either way kefir is good for people, as far as I know. I think I can get raw whole milk kefir pretty soon from a nearby place so that will be even better.

Some good info here on thyroid: http://chriskresser.com/thyroid

I do know that gluten intolerance commonly co-presents with thyroid issues, because the gluten molecule is similar enough in shape to thyroid cells for the immune system to get confused.

Also, the GAPS diet is designed for gut healing, by removing all potential foods problematic to the gut, and providing a large amount of gut healing goodies via bone broth.

Kefir is great as long as the casein isn't contributing to leaky gut (it's often difficult for a damaged gut to deal with), and it may be worth looking into making your own probiotic pickles too, such as sauerkraut and kimchi.

Roger Elliott wrote:Some good info here on thyroid: http://chriskresser.com/thyroid

I do know that gluten intolerance commonly co-presents with thyroid issues, because the gluten molecule is similar enough in shape to thyroid cells for the immune system to get confused.

Also, the GAPS diet is designed for gut healing, by removing all potential foods problematic to the gut, and providing a large amount of gut healing goodies via bone broth.

Kefir is great as long as the casein isn't contributing to leaky gut (it's often difficult for a damaged gut to deal with), and it may be worth looking into making your own probiotic pickles too, such as sauerkraut and kimchi.

Wow Roger you are a wealth of information not only on psychology but nutrition as well! Awesome! Thanks for those links, the GAPS diet stuff really sounds cool, and I can easily switch to it b/c I'm doing that diet mostly anyway right now, just will probably get off the grains and some other things.

You're right about casein, I'm pretty sure I am ok with this as I don't get my usual symptoms with kefir/yogurt that I would get if I ate for example wheat. But I will pay attention to this.

My plan for my digestion right now is a 6 month plan: to do what I can for the next 6 months and see if there is any improvement. This is so I am reasonable and don't get caught up in expecting too much improvement too soon.

I'm not exactly sure what is wrong with my thyroid, my doctor knows more, I just know that some antibodies of some sort turned up on a recent blood test. Once I figure out more then I will more into it. I'm definitely gluten intolerance, and I haven't eaten gluten for over a year basically, except once by mistake that wasn't fun.

Glad I could help

IMO, after doing this stuff for personal health problems for years, the single biggest thing you can do is get off grains. There's so much stuff in them that's hard on a damaged gut (and in fact on everyone's gut) that I don't really count them as food any more (except for birds )

Good luck!

Roger

dav1307 wrote:Glad this thread it still active lol. I recently found out my thyroid might be having problems, which is apparently easy to manipulate, so I will know more when I do a test. Otherwise, it's not easy to diagnose these problems. I was diagnosed with leaky gut about 18 months ago, which I concurred based on the evidence, but I haven't been able to heal it since despite continued efforts of food avoidance and supplementation.

I did just start drinking kefir, including goat and cow, which I really enjoy. It should help the bacteria in my digestive system and hence leaky gut. But I've never really felt benefits from straight probiotic supplements before so I'm not being overly hopeful. Either way kefir is good for people, as far as I know. I think I can get raw whole milk kefir pretty soon from a nearby place so that will be even better.

Thyroid and bacteria go hand in hand. In fact with leaky gut that points towards bacterial issues or yeast issues. I assume an overgrowth of either will suppress/affect thyroid. Its called bacterial thyroiditis or similar. Either way best bet by a country mile is this mailing list:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/sibonation/

You can throw detox and liver in the mix to. I.e. overgrowth of bacteria affects thyroid, yet you need thyroid to keep the intestines moving and bacteria free. You need enough thryoid for detox of hormones like estrogen, but lack of thyroid and hampered detox system from bacterial overgrowth is going to cause true catch 22. Calcium d-glucarate can help with detoxing estrogen if the bacteria are elevating it, or preventing its breakdown. ANother factor is estrogen suppresses thyroid as well. So to much bacteria > excess estrogen > suppressed thyroid. And you need thyroid to get rid of estrogen and bad bacteria. And elevated triglycerides point towards hypothyroid, so I wonder if thats why you feel rough with omega supps. Theres tons of nutrients needed for healthy thyroid, like iodine, zinc, copper, some B vitamins and vitamin C. Issues with any of those could have an effect. You do need to work with your Dr though, I gave myself high testosterone once through to much zinc, K2, vitamin A and vitamin E my leg hair went of the rails I looked like somethign from planet of the apes.

Roger Elliott wrote:Glad I could help

IMO, after doing this stuff for personal health problems for years, the single biggest thing you can do is get off grains. There's so much stuff in them that's hard on a damaged gut (and in fact on everyone's gut) that I don't really count them as food any more (except for birds )

Good luck!

Roger

I basically agree. It's funny for me, I will go off grains for a while, but then I will go back on them (it's like a drug I guess lol) by eating brown rice or quinoa. And then back off them. I think I might try to go off them for like several months this time, maybe 6 months if I can do it and see how that goes. With my digestive problems I probably shouldn't be eating grains anyway tbh.

paulo111 wrote:Thyroid and bacteria go hand in hand. In fact with leaky gut that points towards bacterial issues or yeast issues. I assume an overgrowth of either will suppress/affect thyroid. Its called bacterial thyroiditis or similar. Either way best bet by a country mile is this mailing list:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/sibonation/

You can throw detox and liver in the mix to. I.e. overgrowth of bacteria affects thyroid, yet you need thyroid to keep the intestines moving and bacteria free. You need enough thryoid for detox of hormones like estrogen, but lack of thyroid and hampered detox system from bacterial overgrowth is going to cause true catch 22. Calcium d-glucarate can help with detoxing estrogen if the bacteria are elevating it, or preventing its breakdown. ANother factor is estrogen suppresses thyroid as well. So to much bacteria > excess estrogen > suppressed thyroid. And you need thyroid to get rid of estrogen and bad bacteria. And elevated triglycerides point towards hypothyroid, so I wonder if thats why you feel rough with omega supps. Theres tons of nutrients needed for healthy thyroid, like iodine, zinc, copper, some B vitamins and vitamin C. Issues with any of those could have an effect. You do need to work with your Dr though, I gave myself high testosterone once through to much zinc, K2, vitamin A and vitamin E my leg hair went of the rails I looked like somethign from planet of the apes.

I actually joined the sibo yahoo group the other day, and I emailed that lady you told me about. She emailed me back right away and had lots of information. She knows of a good digestive doc in NYC, but not any closer to where I live, south of there. BUt I might try to contact that doc and try to find more references near my area.

I think you're on to something with your analysis. But whatever it means I recently got tested and I had low triglycerides.

Graves disease? Does it swell up?

I'd take an educated guess low triglycerides may mean over active thyroid which causes anxiety. I think low thyroid may be more aligned with depression than anxiety but thats just a guess.

Have a read of this discussion:

http://www.runnersworld.com/community/f ... ed-running

paulo111 wrote:Graves disease? Does it swell up?

I'd take an educated guess low triglycerides may mean over active thyroid which causes anxiety. I think low thyroid may be more aligned with depression than anxiety but thats just a guess.

Hmmm that's interesting, could be a possibility.

dav1307 wrote:

paulo111 wrote:Graves disease? Does it swell up?

I'd take an educated guess low triglycerides may mean over active thyroid which causes anxiety. I think low thyroid may be more aligned with depression than anxiety but thats just a guess.

Hmmm that's interesting, could be a possibility.

I think thats where your drs "antibodies" comment comes from. And that would fit in with low triglycerides. I read hyperthyroid is common with past smokers.

paulo111 wrote:

dav1307 wrote:

paulo111 wrote:Graves disease? Does it swell up?

I'd take an educated guess low triglycerides may mean over active thyroid which causes anxiety. I think low thyroid may be more aligned with depression than anxiety but thats just a guess.

Hmmm that's interesting, could be a possibility.

I think thats where your drs "antibodies" comment comes from. And that would fit in with low triglycerides. I read hyperthyroid is common with past smokers.

I'll update this once I get more test results back etc.

Well thyroid tests came back, my thyroid is functioning normally.

I did test positive for IGG antibodies of mycoplasma pneumoniae i.e. walking pneumonia: meaning I had this sometime in the past, but the IGM antiobodies were negative so it wasn't recently.