A Few Words On Censorship

#1185

Postby tokeless » Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:56 pm

This isn’t a Trump issue. This is a basic question of who has the right to vote. The dog whistle that anyone in the US doesn’t have the right to vote is absolute crap dragged out every single election by one party to claim racism.

In May 2017, President Donald Trump established the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, for the purpose of preventing voter fraud. Critics have suggested its true purpose is voter suppression. The commission is led by Kansas secretary of state Kris Kobach, a staunch advocate of strict voter ID laws and a proponent of the Crosscheck system. Crosscheck is a national database designed to check for voters who are registered in more than one state by comparing names and dates of birth. Researchers at Stanford University, the University of Pennsylvania, Harvard University, and Microsoft found that for every legitimate instance of double registration it finds, Crosscheck's algorithm returns approximately 200 false positives.[40] Kobach has been repeatedly sued by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) for trying to restrict voting rights in Kansas.[41][42]

Seems like Trump was involved, as well as others obviously.

Do you not agree election integrity is important tokeless?

Of course I do Richard. That's why it should be independent of politicians interventions before you vote.

So again you will twist the narrative to fit how you would enact a committee to look into election integrity if you were king for a day. You would look into it how exactly? Without using social security numbers?

I'm just pointing out what was stated. It says that this type of action is more evident with Republicans than Democrats, but I don't know for sure. If you think that's a lie, contact Wikipedia and argue for it to be referenced or backed up... which I'm sure it is as it has a citation number in the text. I'm sure to be sued, you would need some evidence?

What’s the law in the UK. When you vote what ID is required?[/quote]

None at present, just your voting card and confirmation of your name and address from the census record when you attend to vote. As with the USA, there have been allegations of voter fraud, which haven't any basis of fact.... The Conservatives do this more than Labour I believe.
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:06 pm

tokeless wrote:No, that's fact. I didn't influence or twist his decision. The fact is he gave temporary status for 18 months. I haven't mentioned racist or fascist in this instance, so try not use it to tarnish my point.


So when you decide that his actions are racist or fascist then you will make that point. But when evidence is pointed contrary to that narrative, don’t use that evidence to tarnish whatever point you are trying to make.

Again, a convenient way to paint an individual you don’t like into an inescapable box. A lose-lose so you can maintain the idea of a super villain in your midst.

Why didn’t Clinton an Obama grant permanent citizenship to all the illegals in the USA? Maybe it’s because they can’t. Have you ever considered that? Maybe just like Obama and Clinton, Trump did what was within his powers.

If he was the super villain you believe, then he could have granted permanent citizenship. He would have said screw what all other presidents have done, I’m the king! I make the rules! But he didn’t.

You can go through his actions and assign evil motives to each one all you like. It doesn’t make it true. Anyone that objectively looks at what Trump did do during his 4 years won’t find a super villain. Far from it.
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:16 pm

tokeless wrote: The Conservatives do this more than Labour I believe.


That is the spin. Labour accuses conservatives of voter suppression and conservatives accuse labour of enabling voter fraud.

What does one need do to get a voting card?

How much suppression is taking place? My guess is roughly 0%. How much voter fraud is going on? My guess is also roughly 0%. But if I had to choose which is taking place more, I would guess there is more fraud than suppression.

The barriers to vote in the US are approximately zero.
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Postby tokeless » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:28 pm

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:
tokeless wrote:No, that's fact. I didn't influence or twist his decision. The fact is he gave temporary status for 18 months. I haven't mentioned racist or fascist in this instance, so try not use it to tarnish my point.


So when you decide that his actions are racist or fascist then you will make that point. But when evidence is pointed contrary to that narrative, don’t use that evidence to tarnish whatever point you are trying to make.

Again, a convenient way to paint an individual you don’t like into an inescapable box. A lose-lose so you can maintain the idea of a super villain in your midst.

Why didn’t Clinton an Obama grant permanent citizenship to all the illegals in the USA? Maybe it’s because they can’t. Have you ever considered that? Maybe just like Obama and Clinton, Trump did what was within his powers.

If he was the super villain you believe, then he could have granted permanent citizenship. He would have said screw what all other presidents have done, I’m the king! I make the rules! But he didn’t.

You can go through his actions and assign evil motives to each one all you like. It doesn’t make it true. Anyone that objectively looks at what Trump did do during his 4 years won’t find a super villain. Far from it.
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Postby tokeless » Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:40 pm

Why didn’t Clinton an Obama grant permanent citizenship to all the illegals in the USA? Maybe it’s because they can’t. Have you ever considered that? Maybe just like Obama and Clinton, Trump did what was within his powers.

Whataboutery. The facts as I understand them, are that Trump could have extended the status once it expired. He could have made it permanent too. I may be wrong, but I think that's correct, in that the president has the ability.

If he was the super villain you believe, then he could have granted permanent citizenship. He would have said screw what all other presidents have done, I’m the king! I make the rules! But he didn’t.

He was king Richard. He was POTUS, the most powerful man on the planet. He could have. He had no problem poking North Korea with threats of aggression and bombing it back to the stone age. Do you think Trump cared what others thought,

You can go through his actions and assign evil motives to each one all you like. It doesn’t make it true. Anyone that objectively looks at what Trump did do during his 4 years won’t find a super villain. Far from it.[/quote]

It doesn't make it not true either. You believe what you choose, based on the information you have. An opinion isn't a fact, facts are rare things these days. Do you think the election was stolen from him Richard? Do you think he should still be president?
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:14 pm

tokeless wrote:Whataboutery. The facts as I understand them, are that Trump could have extended the status once it expired. He could have made it permanent too. I may be wrong, but I think that's correct, in that the president has the ability.


No, it is not Whataboutery. You want to paint Trump as some super villain and part of that claim is that in the act of not deporting Venezuelans, that he didn't make it permanent. It is not Whataboutery to point out that no president, including Obama and Clinton also did not make any permanent stay on deportations. Why? Because they couldn't and neither could Trump. It's not whataboutery to educate you about the limits of being president.

You seem to believe the president is King. Maybe it's a cultural difference. The last amnesty for illegals was in 1986, signed into LAW by president Ronald Reagan. In other words, it wasn't Reagan that waved his scepter and granted amnesty. Unlike a king, the president of the US doesn't create or enforce the law.

And maybe that is one reason you wish to paint Trump as some super villain, because you actually believe the president of the US is some godlike super hero that says, "My will be done" and people must obey.

Again, just because Trump didn't make the decisions that you would have liked him to make, extending deportation, etc. doesn't make him a super villain.

It doesn't make it not true either. You believe what you choose, based on the information you have. An opinion isn't a fact, facts are rare things these days. Do you think the election was stolen from him Richard? Do you think he should still be president?


No...he wanted to be runner up, right? Why isn't that your theory? Convenient how for the 2016 election you want the narrative to be true that he wanted second place and surprisingly won, but for the 2020 election he wanted to win. Which is it? I'm sure you have some story or justification to explain how he changed his mind.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:48 pm

I've been thinking about my dream many weeks ago. One was like film of masses of people battling police and governments in various countries. It was before the whole virus thing started.
There was another dream that hasn't yet materialised so I'll refer to it in case it does. It did involve Ukraine. In the dream there was some kind of building that was bombed in a conflict. There were very important people running half-dressed from the building. There were images on the media and a sense of major upheaval. Then there were images of big conflict in Moscow with hundreds of people resisting police. I woke up then went back to sleep but the dream stays in my mind.
It's really hard to say if these are psychic dreams. I don't know. It's pretty much like film rolling forwards with images and then a feeling of what's happening. This, however, is vague and not detailed. There is no explanation in the dream.
If there is no war in Ukraine and no major report of a bombed building with people running for safety I can assume it was just a dream. That is entirely possible.
Although this may seem strange, I recently learned the Romans believed in prophetic dreams. They also believed in signs and omens. Such as an bird at the window. It's even biblical - Joseph interpreted dreams.
Since the dream referred to many weeks ago, I had no others.
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Postby Richard@DecisionSkills » Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:57 pm

davidbanner99@ wrote:It's really hard to say if these are psychic dreams.


A person I know watches lots of political commentary. You can then hear them sometimes during sleep arguing politics. They get angry and yell about a particular issue. Undoubtedly, given such consumption of politics some of the dreams will come true. Does that make them “psychic”? No. It just makes them a normal human that has been watching so much politics that it invades their dreams.

You constantly post about all the protests. You’ve been doing so for months. You have been watching plenty of video, reading the news, etc. So you are surprised you would dream about such things? Of course some of your dreams will play out in some region of the world, and some of it might even appear to you as prophetic. It isn’t, but you certainly will be able to paint that narrative.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:06 pm

Scientifically there's something called resonance. A dead simple explanation of resonance would be a swing. Imagine someone on a swing, going up and down. If you were to push the swing at the wrong time, you could either slow its motion or stop it altogether. However, if you were to push the swing in total harmony with its momentum, the interaction would be "resonant". This principle exists in electrical fields and radio waves. Any resonance above 3000 cyles per sec is moving from audio to RF. RF can travel via space or the atmosphere. The brain also depends upon alternating frequencies, which is why electromagnetism via the internet could affect the brain adversely. Simply because of resonance factors
Our brain seems to sometimes react out of the norm. One researcher claims this can happen after an electric shock. Ghosts, in fact, may be our brain detecting atmospheric visual information that bounces around. In my area, in remote moorland, some people reported sightings of WW2 bombers, or even horse battles.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:11 pm

Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:
davidbanner99@ wrote:It's really hard to say if these are psychic dreams.


A person I know watches lots of political commentary. You can then hear them sometimes during sleep arguing politics. They get angry and yell about a particular issue. Undoubtedly, given such consumption of politics some of the dreams will come true. Does that make them “psychic”? No. It just makes them a normal human that has been watching so much politics that it invades their dreams.

You constantly post about all the protests. You’ve been doing so for months. You have been watching plenty of video, reading the news, etc. So you are surprised you would dream about such things? Of course some of your dreams will play out in some region of the world, and some of it might even appear to you as prophetic. It isn’t, but you certainly will be able to paint that narrative.


This dream took place before the virus was mentioned. That includes the building. My point, then, is: If none of this happens it will show it was simply a dream. I have no issue over that. Maybe it will be a weight off my mind.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:20 pm

With regard to ghosts, I reason thus:
If you can use RF waves at, say, 5 megahertz to transmit visual and audio data, why can't the same thing happen naturally? After all, the very first radios used quartz crystal and no voltage. Suppose data can pass through time under unknown circumstances? Ghosts could be then fairly similar to TV footage. What you see are people who once existed - like a footprint in the sand.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:28 pm

Yes, on one occasion in my life I did see a real ghost. It wasn't dark. I guess about 20.00 pm. It was simply a man stood by a canteen door in overalls. Totally flesh and blood appearance. I was some 200 feet away, at a guess. The man then somehow vanished. This, however, is an experience that's been related by thousands of people. Ghost stories abound. Some are faked, some imagined and some honestly shared.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:43 pm

All in all - the Russians repeatedly state there will be no conflict in Ukraine. The EU and America disbelieve such is the case. At this stage I find it odd but recall Russia also denied there were any short range missiles in Cuba. I think it was Zorin who flatly denied missiles were on Cuba.
I guess I can safely say if no conflict takes place at all, my dream becomes just a dream. If war does take place, that changes nothing either. However if some major crisis shows footage of foreign officials fleeing a bombed Ukraine building and a diplomatic reaction - that would spook me.
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Postby davidbanner99@ » Fri Feb 18, 2022 10:01 pm

The situation is now at its most volatile. There's every chance it could spiral out of control. The mistake being made I think is for NATO to get between two large countries and take sides. It's a bit like stepping between two rabid dogs and not expecting to get bitten.
In every international dispute there are various perspectives. I once lived in the Basque region of Spain where a degree of nationalistic terrorism had been ongoing for some years. The Basque separatists didn't identify as Spanish because the Basques have their own language and history. Most Basques didn't bother too much over the situation but a few sought independence from Madrid. Thus far the E.U. hasn't poured coals on the flames but that could one day happen.
At to the moment, the E.U. is pushing into the Ukraine crisis, supplying arms and not understanding the issue in any context. And Russia, armed to the teeth with ballistic missiles, is getting jumpy. As I mentioned before, Russia's conventional forces are outnumbered by the combined alliance of Turkey, Poland and France. And that's why a nuclear response exercise is scheduled for tomorrow. At this point, it's almost as close as Cuba when Kennedy was starting to lose control of military hardliners who wanted to try and bomb the missile sites.
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Postby Candid » Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:31 am

desperate788 wrote:Candid this absurd meaningless discussion doesnt deserve your attention, if you aşk my view.

No offence, desperate, but you're the last person I'd ask. Thanks anyway.
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