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Teekl wrote:I have never hurt an Animal in my life and I never will. I'm so confused distressed

Are you vegan?

What does that have to do with my mental health problem?!?!? Yes I am but I don't see what that has to do with anything

Teekl wrote:What does that have to do with my mental health problem?!?!? Yes I am but I don't see what that has to do with anything

I ask because most people are not, and then claim that they wouldn't hurt animals. They have not yet made the connection of animal abuse to their dinner plate.

And, if you're eating abused animals who didn't want to die, eating them multiple times daily, this would have an effect on your health, both physical and mental.

Okay. Have you looked into meditation?

quietvoice wrote: And, if you're eating abused animals who didn't want to die, eating them multiple times daily, this would have an effect on your health, both physical and mental.

I can appreciate the desire to promote a lifestyle that avoids killing animals. I can also get behind practices that do not abuse animals.

What I can't get behind is this nonsense that animals "want" or "don't want" to die.

Cows, pigs, and chickens don't have any concept of death. They do not "want" or "not want" to die any more than a salmon that dies from exhaustion after swimming upstream to lay their eggs. The salmon has no concept of death or that it is dying. Literally, a pig can see another pig being killed five feet away and have absolutely no idea that "death" is taking place or that they are next.

I also can't get behind the nonsense that if a person doesn't believe what you wish them to believe about animals that they will suffer mentally.

YOU suffer mentally quietvoice, because of what you personally believe. You impart intelligence in animals that does not exist and therefore you personally suffer mentally at the thought of eating animals. You suffer at the thought that other people that do not think like you eat meat. What you believe causes you mental health issues, so much so, that you have now become a champion of your beliefs.

So I can see why you think anyone that eats meat must suffer, because you suffer at the thought. But rest assured quietvoice, those that do eat meat do not suffer mentally. Why? Because they do not believe what you wish that they would. They recognize the salmon has no concept of death and therefore have no mental qualms when it comes to eating some sushi.

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“Until he extends the circle of his compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace.”

― Albert Schweitzer


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Nice quote. I like it.

Yet it has absolutely zero to do with making up some fantasy about how animals "don't want" to die. I can see how that fantasy can lead to your own mental health issues.

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“Until he extends the circle of his compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace.”

― Albert Schweitzer


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You can have compassion for all things and still eat meat. As Richard says, that quote doesn't refer to an animal having an awareness of death.

quietvoice, I think the world of you. I would love to sit in a restaurant with you even though I can't imagine what we would eat and drink. Your advice and the videos you link to are always thought-provoking, but lately have started to resemble jurplesman's hypoglycemia obsession. We all had it, he said. The answer to every trouble was the hypoglycemic diet.

So I'd like to ask you some questions.

Do you eat out, or do you live on juices and fresh vegetables at home?

How much does hardline veganism interfere with your social life?

If everyone went vegetarian today, what would you want farmers to do with their stock? Are they, for instance, to separate the ram from the sheep and keep feeding them all until they die of natural causes? Who or what would fund that? Or would you have them simply release their cows, sheep, pigs, goats, chickens etc? Would there be government compensation for this loss?

Animals released after centuries of selective breeding in captivity return to type. Dogs run in packs, almost immediately behaving like wolves and eventually looking like them as well. In North Queensland there are feral pigs. They are dangerous, obviously. Macho Australians like to go out and shoot one then roast and eat it in situ. This is encouraged. Feral pigs are not only a threat to human life; they also, for example, dig up the nests of native sea turtles and scoff the eggs.

I wonder what you think of zoos. Virginia McKenna (who played Joy Adamson in Born Free) has for years been engaged in the release of zoo animals. She's quite candid about the times when this proves disastrous.

Then there's Lucy Temerlin, released into a sanctuary where she was afraid of the other chimps and frustrated that none of them knew Ameslan. She was easy pickings for a poacher because she naturally approached any human she saw. Her biography Growing Up Human is enchanting all the way up to the last chapter, in which her 'father' asks readers to suggest what he can do with her -- and quickly! -- because "we want to live normal lives now".

You've shown us videos of pigs, sheep and chickens spending their entire lives in horrific conditions. What struck me about those films was the hatred workers had had to acquire in order to do their masters' bidding. They get all hard, kicking the weak and sick, because had they not lost their humanity they would be unable to work in those places. There's a UF member who works in a chicken farm. Perhaps you've missed him, or just haven't known what to say to him. His posts have often made me angry, but I believe he's actually a softie and genuinely upset that he can't find a good woman in smalltown Australia,

It's all about the dollar, isn't it. You'd like to dismantle the nightmarish conditions we've created for animals, but no one can live without money and no one thinks they have too much.

I get it that if the land presently used for stock (and for growing stock feed) were to be given up to grains and vegetables, everyone could eat. You certainly have my conscience vote BUT the few shops selling so-called 'health foods' here are simply beyond my budget. A place like Findhorn www.findhorn.org can and does do it well, with mass catering and the capacity to grow most of what they eat, as well as recycling everything from paper to human excrement.

I don't know whereabouts in America you live. In tropical Australia it was easy to eat well and I drank water all day as well as cycling everywhere I went. Since I came back to England I've gained more than two stone (about 13kg) and worse, have rapidly gone from a woman in her prime to old ladydom. The man you introduced me to, Joachim Werdin, openly says you can't go without food in cold climates, you pretty much have to be in the tropics.

Too wordy as always, Candid. Get a grip!

Teekl, are you still with us or were you, more likely, driven away by the first responses?

Thinking about strangling your cat doesn't make you "an evil bad person". These type of thoughts suggest you're very angry about something, and maybe you don't know what. If you want to post again, I'll look out for you.