Question About Fees, Family and Counseling Ethics

Postby Unchained » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:16 pm

I have been struggling with addiction/depression issues for many years, and am now in the midst of a period of sobriety and reflection on those years. I would like to discuss a relationship with a counselor and feelings about the ethics of counseling.

Mods, if what I say potentially below violates the privacy of any person, then please do what you need to do (including deleting the thread).

Ok, so here goes.... Several years ago I was strugglng with depression/addiction/dependency and had lost a good job, and was working at menial jobs, and living with my parents. My parents were concerned about my health and decided I needed counseling. The thing is, the counselor they wanted to see happened to be a member of my mother's church, and was therefore aquainted with her. Despite my internal resistance, I went to the therapy, as my mother was more or less making it a condition of me living at the house.

The first time I saw this therapist, I told him I had concerns about him being aquainted with my mother. The thing is, I don't exactly approve of my mother's church. The church is fairly mainstream, but has a conservative Republican slant that I find ethically unsavory, and frankly from my perspective any church of this type has cult-like elements. I suppose I should add that I was very prone to paranoia and delusional thinking, as befits a weed addict. In addition, while my mother is a good and generous person, we've always had trust issues.

I told the therapist that I was uncomfortable with him knowing my mother. I was also uncomfortable with his fee, which was equal to about 1.5 days work of my job at the time for one hour of therapy. He acknowledged that my concerns were legitimate, but he explained his confidentiality policy and suggesting we begin therapy. He seemed sane, rational, and compassionate, so I had no real reason not to trust him, even though secretly I was paranoid that he might be violating the doctor/patient relationship, and this kept me from genuinely opening up.

When I spoke to my father about my feeling that the price of the therapy was ridiculous, he acknowledged this, but insisted I had to do it anyway. Keep in mind he is a very frugal man and not wealthy by any means. It seemed to me that there might be some unconscious desire on his part to guilt trip me into changing, and I found this paranoia confirmed when he would often leave the bill from the shrink on the desk where I could see it. It's worth noting that my father, like me, is a fairly passive person, very reserved in his emotons (in addition to having many wonderful and admirable qualities).

A major stumbling block was I was only meeting with this therapist once a month. My commitment to change and the therapy was passive and superficial, and I missed a few appointments. Eventually after some additional trauma in my life I decided to move out of the house (at this point my substance abuse began to spiral) and I immediately discontinued the therapy (in the last session I had straight up lied to the therapist about my drug use, since I didn't trust him, and I was in a bad place in general psychologically).

But it's worth noting that for all his exorbitant fees, the therapist was not putting much effort into preparation or asking very insightful questions. I had no prior experience in therapy to compare him with, but obviously I wasn't happy with it since I discontinued therapy the first chance I got.

Fast forward a year or so, and I was basically homeless living with a friend..and out of work. Once again my mother made an appointment for me and asked me to go see this doctor. I guess at that time I could acknowledge I was sick, even if I wasn't helping myself, so I went, even though I reiterated I didn't approve of the fees this man was charging and felt the fee structure was a disincentive to him actually helping me change.

Eventually, I moved back in with the parents, in an effort to quit drugs, and this time an explicit condition was seeing this therapist. I don't know how many times I saw him. Some progress occurred at these meetings, but in general I maintained my stance that I'd rather discontinue the expensive therapy, even though I wasn't doing anything to find another therapist (being an addict and a fuck-up).

One day I noticed the bill on my father's desk and inside there was a charge for a different sort of therapy. I soon learned that my parents had gone to see him to discuss me and my future. Later, I learned that my mother was seeing this therapist. Ostensibly, this was therapy for her, but knowing my mother I strongly suspect she was fishing for information about me. In the next therapy session I brought this up and the therapist acknowledged the conflict, and assured me he had not violated my confidentiality. My mother also assures me he never violated my confidentiality. But the thing is.....the lingering paranoia remains. I mean, if the guy is genuinely religious, isn't it possible that his commitment to his religious community could trump his professional ethics? I'm not saying it's likely, but it was a fear in the back of my mind that keeps me from opening up.

It wasn't long after this that I stopped seeing him, and part of this was he no longer pushing for continuing the therapy. While he didn't direclty admit it, it was clear enough that this wasn't working and I didn't exactly trust him.

Now it's about 18 months later and when I reflect on it, I get angry. I am angry about the money (and time) wasted. While not all the money in the world, it's a very substantial sum for me.

I realize that alot of people are at fault for the therapy failiing. The main fault lies with me, for being a liar and an addict and an a**hole. My parents also deserve some blame, for trying to solve a problem with money and guilt tripping, and for my mother's lack of respect for the therapy process.

But it seems to me that the one person with the perspective to be aware of the roadblocks was the therapist himself. Yet he went ahead with this ineffective, unaccountable, and only occasional (ie once per month) talk therapy, and even billed me when I would miss the appointments. He agreed to counsel my parents and my mother without notifying me or asking how I would feel about it. Despite me telling him about my chief reservation (that he was demanding obscene amounts of money for an hour of conversation, and that I wasn't paying him, my retired father was!) he didn't take action to refer me to another counselor.

So what do you guys think? Did this therapist do anything wrong?

I guess my feeling is that the whole idea of 'talk therapy for profit' is frought with irrationality and problems, just like for-profit healthcare in general. How is the therapist supposed to overcome the unconscious desire to make money? Isn't it in the therapist's (unconscious financial) interest to prolong the therapy and prevent real healing/change from taking place?

When I look back at it, I feel that one 2 hour session I had with another counselor (to whom I was referred by my lawyer to dismiss a minor charge) was more beneficial then all of the sessions with the for-profit counselor combined.

Bottom line is my family and I had little experience with therapy. I feel angry, I feel like we were taken advantage of, but I'm not sure if these feelings are justified or not.

Thoughts are appreciated, thanks all.
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Postby jurplesman » Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:13 am

Unchained wrote:I guess my feeling is that the whole idea of 'talk therapy for profit' is frought with irrationality and problems, just like for-profit healthcare in general. How is the therapist supposed to overcome the unconscious desire to make money? Isn't it in the therapist's (unconscious financial) interest to prolong the therapy and prevent real healing/change from taking place?


As a retired nutritional psychotherapists I could not agree more with your expression of feelings about talk therapy. Besides every therapist is fully aware that a client/therapist is a personal one, and that for any therapy to take place, the client and not the therapist is to choose the kind of therapy he wants. Furthermore, I have a suspicion that the kind of therapy that was offered to you, was the common garden psychotherapy based of old-fashioned "psychological" theories, and the fact that he was a member of your mother's church and not your church would indicate a natural conflict in philosophical background, interfering with te necessary "rapport" with a therapist.
Therapy under compulsion seldom works, although it must be stated in favour of your parents, that they tried to do the best for their son, but that they simply were ignorant about the right conditions for therapy to succeed.

My approach to drug therapy is completely different from conventional therapists in that I consider the treatment of an underlying biochemical imbalance, responsible for drug-addiction, to be far more important than the "psychological aspects" of addiction. In other words I consider drug-addition to be a medical illness, rather than a "psychological illness" as is commonly assumed. Psychological symptoms of addiction are merely symptoms of an underlying biochemical disorder that needs to be treated BEFORE considering "psychological" issues.

The reality is that the majority of drug addicts suffer from hypoglycemia, that causes the body to overproduce stress hormones (especially adrenaline), which give rise to a person to anti-dote themselves with drugs to make them feel a little better. No amount of talk therapy, will-power, promises, will stop a drug-addict taking drugs, as he is completely dependent on drugs to feel anywhere near being functional.

Psychologically oriented counsellors have problems accepting this fundamental truth as they are ignorant of the biochemical underpinnings of drug addiction or for that matter any mood disorder. They keep on harping away at drug addiction being a problem of the mind and will-power!!

The tragedy is, that whilst your parents have been paying half their income or fortune to a wannabe counsellor, this kind of therapy is completely free of charge, as any drug-addict who can read English, can educate himself about the nutritional aspects of drug-addition. The first step in treatment is adopting the hypoglycemic diet, that will gradually stabilize your blood sugar levels and stop what otherwise will trigger stress hormones.

Please familiarise yourself with the nutritional aspects of drug-addiction and other mood disorders by reading educational articles on the internet such as:

Drug Addiction is a Nutritional Disorder
Why Addiction to Marijuana?

and discuss this with a Nutritional Doctor, Clinical Nutritionist or a Nutritional Psychotherapist, if self-help therapy fails. But most people can help themselves by going on a hypoglycemic diet. Following nutritional treatment, a self-help psychotherapy course may often prove useful in overcoming and remaining "psychological" issues.
Please search our web site or INDEX for more information.

Please let me know how you are getting along?
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Postby Unchained » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:24 pm

Thanks for the response Jurplesman. I've read some of the articles from your website and they make alot of sense to me.

My drug of choice is and has been weed, but unfortunately the last 18 months of drug addiction was dominated by this evil herbal incense stuff (given that weed is hard to get in my area and I was sick of worrying about law enforcement).

I was able to wean off it slowly by getting a bag of weed and since then I've stopped both and am at 11 days sober (from everything) now. My dreams started reappearing a few days ago, which I take as a sign that my brain is healing.

Anyone who has experienced withdrawal from a long-term habit can hardly pretend that weed doesn't effect one's brain and body chemistry. There is simply no denying this drug effects and regulates brain chemistry and that it does have addictive potential.

Right now I'm using heavy heavy exercise (primarily cycling) to stabilize my moods and keep my eye on the ball. But I understand that over the long term nutrition is going to be critical.

Actually maybe 7 years ago I switched to a more natural diet (it was my version of the Atkins diet....I just supplemented more salad/nuts/cheese than usual since I exercised alot and figured I needed it). Anyway, I felt great and was losing weight and thinking more clearly...unfortunately not long after I found some weed and the demonic urges took hold. It's sad how common it is for weed addicts to relapse when they are feeling good and strong and deceive themselves into thinking they can handle it...at the time I simply didn't understand that I had a problem.

I think the success of diets like the South Beach and the Atkins in the USA is related to the fact that they forbid so many foods....foods that happen to meet your criteria as "non-natural". It's simple for Americans to simply cut out some foods but harder for them to make the philosophical leap to "natural foods".

It's difficult for Americans like me to switch to a natural food diet...it's a much bigger lifestyle change than giving up drugs. For me, it's something I want to do, but it's going to take some willpower. In fact on this basis the hypothesis that "the majority of drug addicts suffer from hypoclycemia" seems hard to falsify when we consider that an individual with the fortitude to succeed in switching to a natural foods diet seems like an individual more likely to get off the drugs for good, due to the strength of will needed to get on and stay on that diet. So whatever data one observes about addicts successfully kicking drugs after adopting the natural diet seems potentially affected by that variable. But of course there I suppose you could reply that the healthier diet plays a role in stabilizing your brain chemistry, so the diet should come first...

Anyway, thanks for responding. Thanks for all you do in the Addictions Forum....I know sometimes people are curt with you but I think your effort to educate us does have some effect...if nothing else it may plant a seed in the brain of an addict that may grow into something later on.
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I guess I'm still curious whether any therapist here thinks my therapist did anything wrong (in keeping me as a client when I vocally objected to the price that neither me nor my pensioner parents could realistically afford, as well as keeping me as a client when he knew my mother and when he eventually realized she had irrational expectations about his ability to help me). I understand it's difficult to judge a fellow therapist without all the facts....I wonder if there's another forum where I could get some opinions on this besides this one. It's unclear to me whether I ought to be upset with him or not--I don't want to let my emotions get the better of me.
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