I'm losing people i love bcos of my lying!

Postby kat » Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:13 pm

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Can anyone give me any help or advice? I am nearly 24 years old and for as long as i can remember i've been lying to everyone about the littlest of things. Stupid things like what i've had to eat and then it went to bigger things like lying about goin on holidays and sh**. I know this is a problem and i want to stop it, but it's not that easy for me to do. I've tried to stop lots of times, but it just comes so naturally now. I don't think i could say that anyone knows me, and i hate it. I've got to a stage now, where i know it's like do i die. i have to stop my lying now before i lose everyone i love. I've already lost a friend because of it, and i truly did and still do love him. Why can't i stop? Can anyone help me try stopping?
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Postby Roger Elliott » Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:05 pm

Hi Kat and welcome to UncommonForum.

This is a more common problem than you might imagine; here's a thread that might help:

http://www.uncommonforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=153

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Postby tagfat » Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:49 am

Could you describe a more detailed example of a situation where you would get yourself in trouble by lying?
Behaviour is maintained by the reinforment it gets from the imidiate results. In other words, you will probably find that you actually get something "out of" lying. Long term problems will not automatically alter behaviour, but you can do things to effect this. You need to know how though and you need know how to analyse the exact behaviour in question.
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Postby ghost » Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:43 pm

My closest friend is also a compulsive liar. I have always known this about her as her lies are so blatant at times. It has never been a huge problem, because I just interpret it that she doesn't want to admit to a lot of stuff, in fact, it is quite endearing that she tries so hard to impress me. But it can be a real irritation too. I never know what is real and what isn't. It has caused her way more stress than it has me. But I love her dearly, and she won't lose me as a friend over something like that!

I just tell you this so you know, all is not resting on you becoming 100% truthful overnight. In fact, that would probably lose you even more friends!

Take it easy with the truth, and the lies, and maybe try not saying anything for a while. It will come if you want it to.

Good luck!
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Postby kat » Sun Jul 11, 2004 8:26 pm

tagfat wrote:Could you describe a more detailed example of a situation where you would get yourself in trouble by lying?
Behaviour is maintained by the reinforment it gets from the imidiate results. In other words, you will probably find that you actually get something "out of" lying. Long term problems will not automatically alter behaviour, but you can do things to effect this. You need to know how though and you need know how to analyse the exact behaviour in question.
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Postby Psyched » Sun Jul 11, 2004 8:32 pm

so you lying because you know that by lying you will get some sort of reward at the end for example more affection off your boyfriend and i think you understand the other side of the spectrum which is that sometimes lying will get you punished in some sort of way. Like you could lose friends, get in trouble with teachers, parents (as stated in your example) and even the law. In order to break the cycle then instead of lying becoming natural when you talk, tellin the truth must become natural when talking. If i were you, i would go out tomorrow n specifically ask someone what they had for lunch, now instead of lying when they ask you back just tell the truth? You wont gain anything by lying but by tellin the truth 2moro you will help yourself by breaking the cycle.
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Postby tagfat » Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:06 am

kat wrote:Hi,
A more detailed example would be: A few months ago, when my period was actually late, and i told my boyfriend that it was. Consequently he got worried and so did I. To my relief a few days later i knew that i was not pg. However i didn't tell him bcos now he was paying me more attention and showing me more emotion than he ever had in the past. I loverd the fact that he was always calling me, and textin me just to see if i was okay. He got so worried he told his parents. And in turn they told mine. I managed to lie myself out of this situation too. I just can't seem to stop. And now, even my school grades have slipped bcos this is gettin me so down.


Perhaps you should figure out why your bf should give you attention and how much and then try to get that attention in an honest way. It might not be as effective as lying - in the short term - but wont get you into trouble either.

There might be issues of self-esteem behind your behaviour but you can still make use of bahavioral / traning techniques if you care to do so. We all do that with more or less understanding anyway.

There are different methods and you will have to find your own favorite combination.

Bedst known method and everyones favorite despite the fact that it almost never works is punishment. Leave that to others to use if they must.

A better way is to train an incompatible behavior. That might or might not be "telling the truth". An alternative could be "take the tough choice when possible" or "express yourself as accurately as possible". The way to train the chosen behavior is to reinforce every instance of it emidiatly after you actually do them. Praise yourself and promise to give yourself treats that you actually like. I say "promise" because reinforment should be as close in time as possible to be effective. Promising can be both fast and effective if you establish credibillity with yourself.


Another approach would be to "put your behavior on a cue": If you can train yourself in lying whenever you interact with someone that you really dont like and to do that at your own comand you will put the behavour on a cue (your own comand). When you have established a strong conneciton between your lying and your clear decision to do so, you just dont make yourself lie in relationships that means anything to you. Or stop alltogether. This is a very elegant method of getting rid of a behaviour and it can be quite effective.

And you still might give self-esteem issues a bit of consideration down the road.

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