Does Anybody Diserve to Die?

....but how can we say to two different people serving prison sentences for the same crime:
'Hey, we can rehabilitate you, you can live'
'Hey, there's no way you're gonna change so you deserve to die'

everybody is born with potential. but...
actually the population is also increasing.
i think we can not afford to take chance.
and this is happening since the time of jesus.
its already late.

Yes everyone has the potential to correct and improve themselves.
The death penalty is a form of revenge and unfortunately a disproportionate number of the poor and innocent receive it.
Crime statistics show that the death penalty is not a deterrant.
I think everyone deserves a chance to improve and if they can't, we still don't need to give up on them. Of course, this also means that they should not be free to roam the streets, neither should they be put to death.

San and Maxine, I just wanted to let you know I have read and respect your opinions.

Unfortunately though this topic will always come back to whether you agree All people should be treated as equal regardless of their crimes and the way they live and should be helped to be better people, or whether you agree some people are just plain evil and dont deserve the time and effort.

I dont believe all people have been through it, regardless of what you say San. Crime Stats are high, yes, but luckily there are still more unaffected people than people that have been put through it.

This kinda topic is very hard for me not to get passionate about, and I could honestly sit here for hours arguing my point, but at the end of the day its only going to upset me and so I'm going to quietly slip away now...

san wrote:

Does anybody diserve to die?

well......!!!
what i think...>>
it depends..!!!
nobody deserve to die.
it does not mean that you have got the licence to kill and rape.
these people can be cured and bring back to normal state ..
one can do such kind of experiments in JAILS. In India one police officer Mrs.Kiran Bedi is doing SUCCESSFULLY this kind of work since many years.
and it is very challenging hard work.
it is true that it is not always possible, many times you dont have time, before it is too late you have to save many lifes or innocent people in that case one cannot avoid to kill.

There are certain people that definitely deserve to die a very painful death for their crimes.

no need of painful death...only DEATH is enough.
why it should be painful?
give anesthesia before u kill, if u can not avoid it.

Just because you cant cure some people that does'nt mean you have to kill them. Life in prison is as far as i would go. I do not suport the death penalty. It is not our right to decide who lives and who does'nt. Just my opinion on the matter. I totally agree with Thyguy.

Maybe death would be a good thing. None of us can say because we've never died.

Iammyhero

Interesting statement!

Maybe death would be a good thing. None of us can say because we've never died.

If you believe in Karma, I don't think death would be a good thing.
Neither is death a good thing for someone who doesn't want to die, especially if you’ve been fighting and living under a death sentence for many years. I find that inhumane to sentence someone to sit in a cell and wait for their death.

I think. killing is illogical and also quite savage. and if thought through to full exstent all situations can be worked out none violently.

But, none of this means that if you lay a finger on my family ,I wont try my hardest to rip out your throat.

I disagree with the state having the death penalty.

Does Anybody Diserve to Die?

Ironically, I think this question all boils down to the basic fact of "TRADE".

A most simple example would be "killing a criminal to save ten hostages", a fair and necessary trade in many people's eye.

As for those criminals locked in prison who have committed unspeakable crimes, do they deserve a second chance? or be executed for their actions.

This in my humble opinion should be determined by the values placed on each side: second chance, or execution.

Now as we know different people have different values varying greatly, so the decisions are not always the same (duh...) But what values are more important than others?

Personally I think some criminals whose acts are so hidous and never showed a slim chance of correction should definitly be inprisoned forever no matter what kind of rehabilitations the government provides. People simply could not allow the risk of sending them back to sociaty again.
The risk on the safety of the people is simply much more heavier than the ethical justification of everyone deserves a second chance

So in my opinion, some people should be executed if they're WAY too dangerous (like a mafia mob boss who have unlimited resources to breakout of a jail...), BUT NO ONE DESERVES DEATH, the worst punishment we should inflict on them would be forever imprisonment.

And only those who shows a very good chance of rehabilitation should be released, and even then, those should be on surveillance for a long time. No one definitly deserves a third chance...

Glitter wrote:I totally understand your point of view.

I just have a different view!

Hi Glitter
That was one of the most productive 2 line responses I've seen on this forum.
A lesson in open conversation if I ever saw one.

best wishes

Utopian12 wrote:Does anybody diserve to die? Is evil real or is it an opinion? When people do things sociaty sees as insane we give help and medicine to them to "balence" them.
serial rapists and such do what they do for a specific reason in their minds, that maybe they know of and maybe they dont, i think most agree that this is very very evil and the people that do it should be stopped.
The question is, is it possible to change every person that commits heinous crimes with drugs and therapy? and if not do they diserve to die? i ask this not because i'm undecided on the issue, but because everyone on this forum is interested in being helped and helping other people change the bad things about them and/or their lives, and i want to know what you all think.

Step out of your bubble. When someone abducts you 9 year old daughter, proceeds to tourture, and rape her for a week, then kills her in a manner I won't speak of on here, throws whats left of her into the trunk of a car he stole for the purpose, drive to Florida, were he plans on sinking the car in a swamp so no one can find her, but gets pulled over by a State Trooper, because his brake light is out. Hell yeah let the F|*CKER FRY, better yet let my family have him. He took my babys life she never had a chance, and you expect me to let him go on, SHE WAS 9 YEARS OLD! I hope it happens to you, then lets see you forgive.

One other thing, many people close to me have died, at the end all you see is fear in their eyes, sometimes peace because they are in pain, but mainly fear. There is nothing after this life, I knew when I died on the table there was no white light, my mind was sinking into oblivion. They brought me back and I just knew it was all a lie. Why do you think it is human instinct to fear death, because deep down in our subconsious mind, we know that all the bull about belief was made up by our ancestors because they had to have something after death to make life bearable.
Also to control people otherwise without religion we would do our own thing and not give a fig about anything else, no cities would have been built, there would be no armies, no nations, or any thing else we have. Why, because humans, could mate whenever they want with who they want, take whatever they want survival of the fittest, not have to form relationships, or work to improve, because they would be like animals. The one thing a belief system does is tame the beast.

Hello uber
Words cannot describe what you have been through. I am truly sorry for your loss.
May peace be with you.
Maxine

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Originally posted by ThyGuy
No one deserves to die, no matter how evil they are.
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There are certain people that definitely deserve to die a very painful death for their crimes.

But would revenge erradicate the evil that they did? or would it bring back a person that they had perhaps murdered? No. Even if a state decides to murder its criminals, then it is "legalised" murder - evil for evil!

That is not to say that people who commit horrendous crimes should not suffer punishment, or be kept away from society for everyones protection, but the death penalty has no elements of reform and is always always about revenge. That in itself is an evil.

Who has ever seen a new born baby that is evil or bad or a murderer. Evil people are made. If reform is not possible then murdering them certainly is not the answer.

I was once asked when I experessed this view "what if someone hurt one of your children" Obviously I would want to make them pay, but then it would be a very emotional reaction and not a logical thought through one - and even then, I wouldnt want them to be murdered in turn, I am fairly certain of that.

There is also the terrible consequence of undeserving or even totally innocent people being wrongly accused. When the death penalty was practised in the UK many years ago, there were at least two people who were innocent (it later transpired) who then suffered the death penalty and others that certainly didnt deserve that fate. Who is accountable then? Should we send the judge to the gallows?

The death penalty is a backward barbaric action carried out by a dictatorial controlling government that is not interested in reform only revenge

No man has the right to judge that another man "desrves" to die, whatever the circumstances. We are then equally murderers.

"I kill you in the name of a dead 9 year old girl." Sounds like the crusades.

I prefer mind over body. Giving more attention to the minds of the living instead of the already deceased.

Everybody deserves to die.

If any of us don't die there is something quite wrong.