Strange interviews

Postby sunshinewhisper » Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:58 am

Nausea, dizziness, headache, body aches. No part of my body had escaped the flu.

That day, an email notified me that an application I submitted the week before had been successful. The company asked me to complete some tests. Yay, I thought but my body was too weak to muscle the strength to do it right then, fortunately I had until Wednesday to do it. Also, my medication placed me in a coma-like state for most of the days. Despite the malaise, I finally forced myself to begin the exercises Wednesday afternoon, only I discovered then that the email stated the exercise was due at 5pm that day and it was 4pm. There was no way I could complete the exercises in time. For the sake of it, I did them all in a few hours. I didn't expect anything to come of it but I submitted the documents anyway, apologised for my tardiness, reiterated my interest, asked that I be considered but explained that I would accept disqualification on the basis of my poor timekeeping.

Surprisingly, they progressed my application and asked for an interview. Henceforth, a series of the most passive aggressive tactics ensued:

1. The first interview started with a comment about how the written exercises are time consuming but I had done well- they didn't believe I'd been ill.

2. I was told I would receive feedback on the initial interview by the end of that day. I was invited to second interview after I sent a thank you email.

3. The second interviewer didn't call at the time I said in my email I would be available. We agreed to interview the next day after I called to follow up.

4. The second interview started off with him apologising for missing the interview. He'd forgotten as he hadn't managed his time well, he said. I said that's fine. Silence. Then repeated his explanation. Silence. I said it happens. Long pause. Sharply, he said 'I know you had some problems at the beginning'. I said nothing. Then he asked me to explain my background. After I did, he recommended another field of work where my skills would be in demand. Then asked about skills that weren't in the job advert. Contrary to what the first interviewer stated, he said they only had vacancies in one region. And said they needed someone to start in two weeks which didn't fit with the availability I explained in the first interview. At the end of the interview he said they were interviewing 3 other candidates but asked if they could call the next day for me to speak to someone else in their company. I asked how many days between the next interview and their final decision and he either misunderstood the question or ignored me because his reply was that the interview will be very short- 10 minutes, I'll call and hand over the phone for you to speak to the guy.

I withdrew my application by email as the job and company didn't seem right for me.

5. They asked for feedback on the application process. I offered feedback on the process and stated that I thought their products were impressive and offered to help if they needed information on my region in future.

6. They replied stating they would be in my region on a government-sponsored event in 2 months and would be grateful to meet to discuss future opportunities. I said I would welcome a meeting. On refection, they didn't mean it. My research revealed there is no such event taking place at that time.

Although, I've experienced interviewers saying they'd respond 'soon' but didn't, I have never seen a company go this far with a candidate they weren't interested in. Surely it works in both our interests to simply say 'we are no longer progressing your application' instead of leaving someone hanging? Is this common, and how can I avoid this happening in future?
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Postby Beloved » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:31 am

Ask for his/her replies and comments in writing above his/her signature.
If asked why, say "It's good practice" or "My instincts tell me to do this."
If they say company policy forbids this, ask for a written excerpt of the policy.
Get something in writing, even if it only says "We are forbidden to give you anything in writing."

Assume your in-person interviews are being taped.

BTW, you may want to work as a consultant.

BTW, the book, The Folly of Fools, seems to say that deception by all living things is everywhere.
It's kind of depressing.

Competition breeds conformity: if the bad guys are lying to you and you want an even chance of winning you will have to become like them.
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Postby WonderGurl » Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:30 pm

It sounds like the misunderstandings began on your second interview. In point 4 you detailed the interaction between yourself and the interviewer. Frankly, you come across a bit less polite than maybe you should have been if you were truly interested in the position. By reading that paragraph, I get the impression that you came across as overly demanding in that particular situation. From there on is just a bunch of miscommunication between yourself and the company from what I see.
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Postby sunshinewhisper » Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:33 am

Beloved wrote:
BTW, you may want to work as a consultant.


Are you saying this because it seems I'm not cut out for a proper job?
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Postby Beloved » Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:27 pm

sunshinewhisper wrote:Are you saying this because it seems I'm not cut out for a proper job?

I get the feeling you will have trouble working in an organization. You may be a whistleblower.

At least 2/3 rds of the people I dealt with in employment situations acted like crooks.

You can play along and become like them, and profit, or
you can see through them but say nothing, or
you can see through them and tell them what's on your mind.

BTW, a person who gave me a polygraph exam for employment was almost certainly lying to me.

I think it was Paul Ekman who figured out that a 60 year old will have told about 40,000 lies over his/her lifetime.
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Postby quietvoice » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:06 pm

Beloved wrote:I think it was Paul Ekman who figured out that a 60 year old will have told about 40,000 lies over his/her lifetime.

That's only 1.83 lies per day, on average.
High for some, very low for others. Does lying to yourself count?
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Postby sunshinewhisper » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:19 am

Beloved wrote:
sunshinewhisper wrote:Are you saying this because it seems I'm not cut out for a proper job?

I get the feeling you will have trouble working in an organization. You may be a whistleblower.


I see, so play along with the lies even if the lies affect one's livelihood.
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Postby WonderGurl » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:48 am

Every workplace has it's politics. It's part of the game. Some people gladly play by the rules, others are better off creating their own game.

If you want to be 'successful ' in a workplace, be prepared to compromise your morals and principles. Unless you're indispensable... then you may have some luxury to tweak the rules of the game to suit yourself.
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Postby Beloved » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:23 pm

sunshinewhisper wrote:I see, so play along with the lies even if the lies affect one's livelihood.

You don't have much choice.

You can read the books on Administrative Law to see what rights employers have and what rights employees don't have, but if a company buys a few judges, congressmen or senators then they hold all the cards.

If you want to succeed in the workplace, read Machiavelli and be a sociopath, or
be a brownnoser.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_and ... s_of_power

You wouldn't believe some of the crap I've seen.
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