Annoyed at myself, any help appreciated

Postby jimbobjones » Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:34 pm

Hi, i dont know if this is the right part of the forum to put this on as im not really depressed at the moment, im just angry at myself, im completly new to this, only just signed up today, ive just been searching the internet for something like this where i could write something and maby get a reply.

I'm angry at myself because i think i'm a coward. Its only really physically as i think i can speak my mind truthfully and say what i feel should be said etc. so its nothing like that. Its just the way that i get so worried about other guys trying to start fights and such like, im 17 and fairly tough, i got to the gym a lot and work out on punchbags etc just for the fact that its something to do.

I've only really been working out properly with the aim to build muscles etc for the past 6 months or so but i've kept to a fairly tough regeme which im enjoying a lot as well as seeing the benefits of in muscle gain and things. So i'd hoped that when an occasion such as people wanting a fight arose i'd be at least slightly better at coping with it, thats not to say i would try to fight them or anything but at least that i wouldnt be as scared of it as i seem to be.

For example earlier tonight i was cycling back from the local leisure center with a couple of mates and we passed some guys sitting down about our age maby a little younger who shouted something at us, me being me responded to it by shouting something back as they didnt look that big or aggressive. Then they got up and started to chase us on our bikes and i couldnt help but get scared, it ended up with one of my mates getting punched in the face but i cycled away and got off scott free.

I'm not sure if its the way that i couldnt stop myself responding to what the guys had said or the way that i cycled away without thinking about if my friends were ok but i think mostly its just that i got so scared of them and just rode off that's made me so annoyed with myself, any advice wouold be greatly appreciated, what would you have done if put in the same situation? anyone been in a sitation like this and learned from it in the same way that i would like to?

Thanks
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Postby drab3569 » Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:00 am

Hey Jim,

Hope that things are going alright. I am in college and so I remeber what it was like with fighting and masculine dominance. I am sure that fighting always seems like the answer, but if you think about it logically its kind of a stupid idea.
Don't be so quick to put yourself into a fight, there are things worth fighting for but I doubt that what you are talking about is it. Your respect is definately worth something but maybe theres another way to succeed, like verbal defense.
Once when I was in HS in football they use to trip people and laugh. Once I told myself if it ever happened to me I would fake being really hurt. And it happened and I faked a back injury. The two that did it were kicked off the team. So thats a good example of truly winning without fighting. Remeber, be creative. Any smart martial artist can kick the sh** out of a "tough guy"

Best of luck jim.
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Postby mewoodchip » Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:19 am

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I think we, as a society, are tragically unaware of the potential danger of unexpressed emotional pain. That pain does not just dissipate. A few fortunate children have the chance to express it to emotionally healthy adults who teach them how to handle it appropriately. Where does the suppressed emotional pain of the unlucky children go? For far too many kids, that pain becomes a justifiable anger.

Any child that is denied the expression of his or her frustration, anger or rage about being out of control of their little life, of being abused, molested or neglected will keep it inside indefinitely. That anger will NEVER dissipate, I repeat neither anger nor rage will dissipate and go away without some kind of expression or release. Human frustration, when not allowed to be expressed in healthy ways at the pain, frustration or anger stage, automatically turns to rage and often fury. Denied release, anger stays inside for years and years, building and piling upon itself, getting stronger and stronger, pushing into the subconscious where it won’t be remembered. However, it gushes out in full force at some point in life either OUTWARDLY in the form of rape, murder, domestic violence, animal killing, or INWARDLY in the form of suicide, cutting, eating disorders, addictions etc. Either way it is extremely destructive costing us billions of dollars each year in prisons, attorneys, loss of innocent life etc. The ONLY sure solution to all violence against one’s own person and/or society is the PREVENTION of the rage buildup in the first place. We need to begin with the children.

The average child does not have a free public support group to go to like all of us adults do. I'm thinking of the anonymous meetings from overeating to adult children of alcoholics, alateen, aa, na, emotions anonymous and cancer survivors groups, grief support groups, women's groups, anger management groups, and on and on, plus all the groups going on at churches. There are no support groups of any kind developed for young children, so that they can share their stress and anger over problems with classmates, parents, molesters, siblings, bullies etc. except in a very few schools under specific circumstances. If we can provide these important groups for adults why not provide them for the children. Children have the same emotions as adults but they are under the complete control of their caretakers, who in far too many cases are emotionally unhealthy adults, lacking in ability to allow their children emotional release of frustration and anger in healthy ways.

Most adults are very uncomfortable with these emotions in themselves. In addition, parents are often working, coming home exhausted with still more household chores to do. If there are several children in a family, they and their inner life are forced to take a back seat in the whirlwind of their family life. It is practically impossible for us as a society to expect parents and caretakers to tend to the frustration and anger emotions in their little ones in a healthy manner. It takes time to be with a child, paying attention and listening to their emotional life and creating a safe space for the child to express their emotions in a healthy way. Most Americans do not have time for themselves let alone for all their children.

Kids desperately need to FEEL heard and respected by someone they trust who will be available to them throughout their growing up years. I dare say that the majority of babies, toddlers and young children do not have trained adults in their life to listen to them and give them a feeling of being heard and respected. In order to hear what a child is really feeling, an average person needs to have patience and be trained in listening skills. I believe it is vital for such a person to be available to every child in America on a daily basis to LISTEN without judgement in order for that child to grow up without retaining frustration, anger and rage inside them. What better place to make this happen then in our public schools and daycare centers where children gather every day, year after year.

We hear of many instances in which that one person in a child’s life (a special teacher or a counselor) has made a dramatic difference and turned a child around for the better. This open trusting kind of relationship allows for healthy expression of feelings, eliminating the buildup of potentially destructive emotions. If you ask the child what it was that made them change for the better, they will tell you they felt LISTENED to and that made all the difference. During the listening process a child feels valued and important no matter what else they are experiencing. They get feedback that is opposite to what they are hearing elsewhere in their life. This gives their self-esteem a tremendous boost.

It takes a special adult to be able to make a child feel heard. Listeners/mentors to children don’t have to fix a child’s life or even stop abuse in it, (other programs will be set up to address that). Remember if angry emotions are not released in a healthy manner, they WILL be released somehow…and in ways society does not approve of, ranging from classroom disruption and bullying, to torture and killing of animals and more. If we can provide a safe LISTENING opportunity in school, every day, for every child, they will have a chance to grow up without harboring angry feelings while at the same time learn how to express their angry feelings in healthy ways. That alone will prevent individual rage and fury from building up and spilling out into society in destructive ways, not to mention the unbelievable suffering the children will experience as adults with rage locked inside; everything from physical diseases and eating disorders to addictions, cutting themselves and suicide.

Alice Miller, a famous psychologist said that even a badly abused child can turn out to be a happy, productive citizen IF they have that one person in their life who makes them feel heard and respected. If a child is experiencing sexual, physical or emotional abuse they can live through it by themselves, alone every day, as they do right now, without anyone caring or even knowing it is happening. Or we can respect a child’s right to be heard and provide a listener person for them all “leaving no child behind”. The key to an emotionally healthy society lies in listening to our children. If we continue to deny our children the right to be heard and respected, we will be denying ourselves of a society filled with emotionally healthy adults. I frequently hear people say “there is no simple solution to the crime problem, to the truancy problem, to the drug problem etc.” The truth is that there IS a simple solution. The challenge is putting the simple solution into practice.

Every baby and young child that IS respected, listened to without judgement, mentored and paid attention to, does NOT retain their anger. Therefore, rage and fury CANNOT develop in that individual. They have learned how to release their feelings of frustration and anger in healthy ways. These individuals do not commit murder, rape, domestic violence or kill animals. Neither do they commit suicide, cut themselves, starve themselves, overeat or become alcoholics and drug addicts. Guaranteed! Therefore, isn’t it a worthwhile goal to raise ALL of our children in this manner? It is definitely possible and I believe the best place to make it happen is where children gather daily, in all of our schools and day care centers across this country.

I know we can provide a “mentor/listener” for every toddler and child in every day care center and grade school across America. The first step is to educate the public on the truth ie. that babies as well as young children need to FEEL heard and therefore feel respected. Our toddlers can never learn how to appropriately express what they feel all by themselves, without healthy role models or guidance. No child should be left behind in either their educational OR emotional development. Second, we need to (a) Redesign our schools by “marrying” the educators with the social workers and psychologists together under one roof in our schools, so that teachers will be free to teach and the emotional needs of children will be tended to by those most qualified. (b) Implement a plan that will allow for every school and day care center across the United States to provide trained listeners who will listen to the children on a daily basis, either in groups or individually. Someone that will maintain a trusting relationship with the same children year after year throughout their and elementary and middle school years. This will allow each child, to have that opportunity to safely express their pain, frustrations or anger, BEFORE they turn into rage, fury and later on inward or outward violence. It will cost billions of dollars each year, but it will be spent on the front end of prevention and not on the back end of destructive violence.

With a program like this in place thousands of social workers can work daily listening to the children instead of being overburdened with caseloads of families and yanking children out of homes away from parents who didn’t know how to listen to them. Thousands of psychologists can work in public schools and day care centers every day listening to the children instead of working with the damaged psyche of adults who were never listened to when they were young. Teachers can be teaching so well that our schools will be top notch. The prisons can be emptied because the potential criminals will have been listened to and respected as children. By the time they reach adolescence they will be able to use healthy ways of expressing their frustrations, pain and anger. The unprecedented amount of federal, state and local monies that are now being spent for a criminal justice system that simply doesn't work can be redirected toward covering the cost of an education system that also includes the emotional development of children.
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Postby TalkToMe » Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:54 am

Without Fear

During the civil wars in feudal Japan, an invading army would quickly sweep into a town and take control. In one particular village, everyone fled just before the army arrived - everyone except the Zen master. Curious about this old fellow, the general went to the temple to see for himself what kind of man this master was. When he wasn't treated with the deference and submissiveness to which he was accustomed, the general burst into anger. "You fool," he shouted as he reached for his sword, "don't you realize you are standing before a man who could run you through without blinking an eye!" But despite the threat, the master seemed unmoved. "And do you realize," the master replied calmly, "that you are standing before a man who can be run through without blinking an eye?"
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