13 Months in, what a ride.

Postby Panicstate » Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:48 pm

Hi guys. I've been lurking here since the day I quit. I thought it would finally be time to post my story since the internet seems to be sorely lacking in long term PAWS experiences. I also feel my situation is a little more out of the ordinary from an already out of the ordinary experience, that it may be worth recording in case it helps someone else not feel so alone.

So, Thirteen months and eight days ago, I abruptly quit cold turkey due to a series of severe panic attacks I experienced from to weed. I was not taking any other substances, not even pharmaceuticals and it started as a treatment for my endometriosis. I quickly became addicted. I was smoking weed and eating edibles daily for a little shy of three years. These panic attacks were likely the culmination of other symptoms I was experiencing throughout my time smoking. I had developed this chronic extremely itchy rash on my legs that would turn red and welt. My anxiety was almost always right at the point of being unbearable for about the last year I smoked. I was feeling shooting body pains. I was having terrible digestion, and I was losing weight. I went to the dispensary and described my symptoms, asking if it could be related to weed and was assured there was no way, and offered some lower THC options. I really should have listened to the voice in my head as a couple days later I experienced my first mini panic attack. Looking back, it was so obvious that weed was causing this but it had such a strong hold on me, between social acceptance of it being a panacea, and people telling me it was in my head, it was hard to see the reality.

Fast forward to the day I quit. I had just had my daily edible. I was making dinner with my husband. In the middle of peeling potatoes the most intense wave of fear and panic I've ever experienced in my life hit me like a brick. I dropped the potato peeler, told my husband I was having a panic attack, and promptly got on the floor in the fetal position, for two hours. I could barely talk, and I was convinced I was dying. I was so naive, because even at this point I was so determined that it was not weed, I blamed a vitamin I had earlier for giving me a this panic attack, but I decided to cut out the weed anyways, just in case. After three hours, I was still having this panic attack at the same intensity, so we went to the ER. This happened three more times over the course of a week. The people at the ER eventually referred me to a therapist since all they could find was swollen lymph nodes. Unfortunately the therapist they referred me to had zero experience treating patients with substance abuse and I was deferred elsewhere, but due to covid, I was unable to get anyone to help me.

Weeks 1-5 Acute Withdrawal - I started going through withdrawals immediately after the day I quit. I was already experiencing all the same symptoms I was having while smoking, but they ramped up to be this boundless well of suffering, and then some. I experienced (in order of most to least severe), panic, insomnia, paranoia, elevated heart rate, shooting body pains(I kept thinking I had blood clots), difficulty breathing, itchy leg rash, weight loss, bloody stool, the shakes, night sweats. These were all at a steady 10 for these five weeks. I was mostly bed ridden. I thought I was going to die. I am so lucky my husband was there to take care of me. We were both really scared. I contemplated suicide a lot during this period.

Month 2-4 - Symptoms are still extremely intense. I have a hard time leaving the house, but I try to go for walks. It feels like hell. Around month three, the panic attacks gave way to just a really intense feeling of anxiety. It felt like I was able to come up and gasp for air, only to be pulled back down again, as another poster here had said in their description. I stopped losing weight and was able to start eating. For reference, I started at 135lb, and went down to 115lb. I had never been that thin in my life. Legs were still insanely itchy, body pains still present and terrifying, and heart feels like it's going to stop at any minute. Digestion was still pretty bad, but at least the night sweats stopped and the trembling isn't as constant. I am reading stories on uncommonforum daily over and over to stay grounded, as well as participating in the Leaves discord server from reddit. Over time I felt it was harder to relate to people there since most people don't go through PAWS from weed.

Month 5-8 - I'm starting to have some days where the symptoms are manageable. I am able to start working again. I'm a successful artist, so I had worried I had permanently broke my brain and would never be able to create again. I'm extremely humbled and grateful that this is not the case. Symptoms start to come in waves of varying degree of intensity. When the waves are intense, almost all the symptoms are present. I try having a cup of coffee and it sends me into a tailspin of symptoms for a few days. Not again, I lie to myself.

Month 9-12 - I am actually having many days where I feel relatively normal. I still know something is wrong right beneath the surface, but I enjoy the clarity when its there. I gained my weight back and am back to baseline. The bloody stools have stopped, the panic attacks, night sweats, trembling, are all gone. When a wave hits, the main symptoms are anxiety that presents as this internal jittery feeling, almost like having low blood sugar, elevated heart rate, some less severe shooting body pains, some strange breathing, like there's something stuck in the bottom of my lungs, and my legs itch. I'm able to start driving again. At some point I became so anxious I stopped driving. Glad that's improving.

Present - I am currently at the tail end of another wave. It started likely because I drank a cup of coffee every day for a week while I was traveling with my husband. I was totally fine during that whole time but once I stopped, I was hit with a wave. I imagine they are correlated. I have become extremely sensitive to alcohol and coffee during this whole time. I know there are varying opinions on stuff like that, but I really do wish I could go back to having a cup of coffee now and then without having to worry about it triggering a wave. When I go through a wave it's hard to see through the fog at all the progress I've made. Despite this easily being the worst experience of my life, I have learned a lot, and I have a lot to be grateful for. I learned I need to listen to my instinct. I learned that PAWS is absolutely real and that the only cure is time. I don't even give a second glance to the doubters because there just isn't enough time in the day to deal with them. When you know, you know, and nothing can take that from you. I suspect I will be one of those that take a full two years to recover, if not more. I don't know what it is about me and my body that made my experience so difficult. I hope some day science will have an answer for it. Meanwhile, I will continue to cherish the life I have and keep creating art. I'll maybe post an update here if I feel like it. Best wishes to you guys, and thanks for sharing your stories. It helped me not feel so alone.
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Postby PowerOfMyMind » Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:08 pm

Congratulations on making it past the 1 year mark and some. PAWS really is brutal and without a shadow of doubt the toughest experience i personally have ever gone through. Complete hell..

I am at 15 months Cannabis free and much better than i had been in my first year but still not completely healed. The morning fear, dread and depression is what is lingering now.

I had no idea about PAWS until i quit Cannabis after 20 years of almost daily smoking and i certainly never realised Cannabis would cause it. Damn its been some dark dark days.

I fear for the peeps that are still puffing away in complete ignorance and naivety of the possibility of PAWS on quitting.

Keep going and all the best getting to homeostasis
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Postby gregor7782 » Fri Feb 04, 2022 2:37 am

Congratulations. Today felt like I just got sober yesterday. I’m angry. Resentful, and mostly of myself, that my behavior has created such unmanageability. I made decisions based on self, that has placed me in a position to be hurt.

Hurt people hurt people. I’m working really hard not to hurt you.
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Postby Panicstate » Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:08 pm

Hey guys. Thanks so much for the support. Sorry for some of my spelling errors and run on paragraphs. I'm not the best communicator lol.

Just an update. As I said when I first posted, I thought I was on the tail end of another wave. I made the bright idea of trying keto to see if it would ease symptoms. Within 48 hours my symptoms got a lot worse. I feel like I am back at month three of recovery with borderline panic attacks and chest pains. I guess really anything that throws your body out of whack has the potential to trigger symptoms, whether it be a diet change, caffeine, or too much exercise. This sucks so bad. I tried to fall asleep last night and I kept getting lurched awake by rushes of adrenaline. I had been feeling a lot better for a couple months and now I'm back down in the gutters.
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Postby Brokethehabit » Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:04 pm

@Panicstate
What you're experiencing is so much like paws. I used to have the same sneaky regressions... just when you'd think it's getting better. Don't lose spirit, this phase may take months but the worst of the worst is over.
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Postby gregor7782 » Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:24 pm

When you’re going through hell, don’t stop. It will all pass maybe not as we like, but what goes up must come down. The beginning of my third year was horrible. Talking with others who also knew about the journey, helped me through a terrifying experience without using. Fear to faith, faith to god, god to love. Get a god and hang on, it’ll be ok.
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Postby Panicstate » Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:35 am

@gregor7782 - The beginning of your third year sober? What happened, if you don't mind sharing. I thought PAWS usually goes away around year two.
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Postby iHatePaws94 » Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:17 am

Nice job on the 13 months! I’m about a week away from 13 months and my experience has been very similar to yours. At about 11 months i started having periods of feeling like my old self again. It’s very encouraging and I truly believe that we will heal from this.

The common theme I see from people posts is that they have long stretches of feeling better but then still get hit with waves often of the same intensity as the early stages of PAWS. That’s been my experience as well. Then when I get hit with a hard wave I question whether i really am healing or if I lost all my progress. I completely ignore the fact that I had long stretches of feeling better. Then the wave recedes and I again feel confident that I got this. Relapsing into an intense wave does not erase all the progress you made. You’ll soon be out of this wave and feeling ok again. Look at all the progress you were talking about in your post if you’re feeling down. You’ve came a long way and should be really proud of yourself.

As for the length of PAWS what I’ve gathered is that for most people it’s mostly better by two years and can take around three to make a complete recovery. Of course there are extremes. I’ve seen people posting about how it took them 4 years. However, for these people they saw no improvement at all until after 2 years. The fact that you have seen improvements is really encouraging. Again this is based on anecdotes and everyone’s different but based off of your post it sounds like your on track to be mostly healed at 2 years. My advice is to not focus on the timeline of this thing because you will drive yourself crazy. Just trust that someday it will get better. Just focus on one day at a time and it will be over before you know it. You made it through the horrific first year, you can make it through the second year too. I wish you good health and a speedy recovery!
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Postby CynicalTendency » Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:46 am

Good job on staying clean. I will recommend daily exercise, and I mean real exercise. I’ve been working out as long as I used weed, over 20 years. Mainly, I lift weights. When I quit, I lost the motivation to do anything, including exercise. After a few months I said enough is enough, and I started lifting again. I’m not 100% normal by any means, but I feel a lot better the weeks I exercise regularly. My mind and body feel better. When I stop exercising, I feel unmotivated and depressed. I sometimes have to force myself to lift. I feel like doing nothing, I’m tired and out of it… but as soon as I start exercising, I feel so much better. I know it’s cliche, but exercise really is life changing. It keeps you motivated and stops all the negative self talk for a while.
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Postby gregor7782 » Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:58 pm

@panicstate what I was referring to had much less to do with PAW’s as it had to do with my emotional development. While I wasn’t experiencing (PAW’s) per-say, I was experiencing a “Psychic Change!” That experience accelerated at 2years clean and it felt like when I was in detox just sobering up. While I had physical sobriety, my spiritual growth was intense perhaps uncomfortable at first. Similar to my early days of sobriety, I felt alone, insecure and afraid that my higher power wasn’t going to be big enough for my problem, (ME!) that was also my problem new to sobriety, as much as it has been with a few 24hrs in a row. I’m my own problem, I’m also my own solution. I believe more today than ever before, that we (humans) have been gifted all of the best remedies to the challenges we face every minute of every day.

Sorry for the delayed response @panicstate I hope I was able to adequately answer your question.
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Postby gregor7782 » Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:59 pm

@panicstate what I was referring to had much less to do with PAW’s as it had to do with my emotional development. While I wasn’t experiencing (PAW’s) per-say, I was experiencing a “Psychic Change!” That experience accelerated at 2years clean and it felt like when I was in detox just sobering up. While I had physical sobriety, my spiritual growth was intense perhaps uncomfortable at first. Similar to my early days of sobriety, I felt alone, insecure and afraid that my higher power wasn’t going to be big enough for my problem, (ME!) that was also my problem new to sobriety, as much as it has been with a few 24hrs in a row. I’m my own problem, I’m also my own solution. I believe more today than ever before, that we (humans) have been gifted all of the best remedies to the challenges we face every minute of every day.

Sorry for the delayed response @panicstate I hope I was able to adequately answer your question.
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Postby Panicstate » Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:48 pm

@iHatePaws94 - Thank you for your experience. Yes! It's crazy. For about two months I was feeling relatively normal, then BAM it's been 3-4 weeks of a killer wave. There were even a couple days I felt I was on the verge of a panic attack again and I haven't had one since my acute withdrawal phase. It was really discouraging. The only constant through all of this however is that I have had zero urge to go back to smoking. There is no way I would want to do this to my body all over again. If I had known this would have been a consequence of weed, I would have never started.

@CynicalTendency - Thank you for the advice. This wave has been doubly bad because normally I go for long walks to help mitigate the symptoms but go figure, I broke my toe a couple days into this wave. I imagine not being able to go for walks has impacted the severity of this wave which sucks. It's starting to heal so I'm going to start walking again today actually. I lift weights on occasion but I've found if I work out too hard that too can trigger a wave.

@gregor7782 - Ah, I think I read your story in another thread, and I'm glad you discovered your sense of self. During my acute withdrawal phase it felt like I was looking at the face of what I would consider god and it was too much. I don't consider myself religious so maybe it's just brain damage. Who knows. I also don't really know what my true sense of self is. I've been jumping from one substance to another since I was about 15. I'm 30 now. Weed was my worst of all of them though. I have to kind of laugh at myself for the irony of it. It's seen as such a harmless drug which is why I was so careless with it.
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Postby Brokethehabit » Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:06 pm

There is no way I would want to do this to my body all over again.


Only those people can understand this who have been through proper thc withdrawal. The physical agony can be so intense that it literally etches weed refusal into your system.
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