tokeless wrote:Everyone loves a keyboard hero.
You didn't like getting schooled even though there was a lesson and basic fact in there for the clueless?
tokeless wrote:Everyone loves a keyboard hero.
biohack9 wrote:tokeless wrote:Everyone loves a keyboard hero.
You didn't like getting schooled even though there was a lesson and basic fact in there for the clueless?
tokeless wrote:You volunteer?? It's a public forum. As for dopamine. Of course it exists, but the psychological aspects of this PAWS syndrome are heavily anxiety related.... the worry about brain damage, never getting better, panic attacks etc can be managed better with anxiety management rather than seeking information that supports their fears. Anyway, it is best left to Guru Bio to help these people fixate and stay in their moment. None of which can be changed by understanding brain chemistry. Good luck wise one
tokeless wrote:How does the average user benefit from understanding brain chemistry in managing their day to day feelings? What benefit does it provide in coping with their anxiety? You come on here and spout your knowledge but offer little in terms of practical advice other than give it time, maybe 1,2,3 years who knows but as long as you know it's brain chemistry you'll be fine. I guess it keeps you occupied and having a role on here... volunteer that you are. We're just students of your knowledge. When I discuss anxiety with patients, they often say what can I do to manage it? I don't need to know why, I just want to feel better and get on with life.
tokeless wrote:How does the average user benefit from understanding brain chemistry in managing their day to day feelings? What benefit does it provide in coping with their anxiety? You come on here and spout your knowledge but offer little in terms of practical advice other than give it time, maybe 1,2,3 years who knows but as long as you know it's brain chemistry you'll be fine. I guess it keeps you occupied and having a role on here... volunteer that you are. We're just students of your knowledge. When I discuss anxiety with patients, they often say what can I do to manage it? I don't need to know why, I just want to feel better and get on with life.
DerJogge wrote:tokeless wrote:How does the average user benefit from understanding brain chemistry in managing their day to day feelings? What benefit does it provide in coping with their anxiety? You come on here and spout your knowledge but offer little in terms of practical advice other than give it time, maybe 1,2,3 years who knows but as long as you know it's brain chemistry you'll be fine. I guess it keeps you occupied and having a role on here... volunteer that you are. We're just students of your knowledge. When I discuss anxiety with patients, they often say what can I do to manage it? I don't need to know why, I just want to feel better and get on with life.
How would you classify my ongoing addiction dreams where I dream about past addiction behaviour that is most of the time accompanied by restless sleep and very pronounced symptoms afterwards. I’m seriously asking what I can do to make them go away. I don’t care if it’s PAWS or whatever. What can I do to make them go away. I have no interest at all to smoke weed when I am awake and I don’t fantasise about using it. Why do I keep having them and what is your recommendation for improving my sleep? I keep a sleep schedule, I read a book before sleeping, I don’t do any exercises in the evening, I supplement the right things in the right dosage at the right time.
Why do I still have those dreams after 27 months of clean abstinence. What makes them go away how can I deal with them beside not taking them to serious?
I‘m eager to know what you recommend. As for me I tried everything else and I came to the conclusion that is PAWS and that my brain is still processing my addiction by dreaming about it. I made many improvements in other areas of my life but my sleep is still not restful even after such a long time.
tokeless wrote:DerJogge wrote:How would you classify my ongoing addiction dreams where I dream about past addiction behaviour that is most of the time accompanied by restless sleep and very pronounced symptoms afterwards. I’m seriously asking what I can do to make them go away. I don’t care if it’s PAWS or whatever. What can I do to make them go away. I have no interest at all to smoke weed when I am awake and I don’t fantasise about using it. Why do I keep having them and what is your recommendation for improving my sleep? I keep a sleep schedule, I read a book before sleeping, I don’t do any exercises in the evening, I supplement the right things in the right dosage at the right time.
Why do I still have those dreams after 27 months of clean abstinence. What makes them go away how can I deal with them beside not taking them to serious?
I‘m eager to know what you recommend. As for me I tried everything else and I came to the conclusion that is PAWS and that my brain is still processing my addiction by dreaming about it. I made many improvements in other areas of my life but my sleep is still not restful even after such a long time.
That's a big ask and I get your frustration with your symptoms. You know I can't answer your specific issues, which is likely intentional to slight my point about my work. All I advise people to do who struggle with sleep is to not focus on trying to sleep. If I said don't think of something, it's very likely you will, even if only briefly. This isn't brief for you and again I empathise. I live in the now. I am present and if I feel sh**, down, anxious i accept the state instead of trying to stop it. If I had control over these things, I wouldn't feel this way because who would? I also accept it's temporary and won't kill me, because it won't. I rarely feel these now as I had to change how I managed day to day reactions and life's challenges. Fighting mentally was just making it worse because I couldn't win... which took time and struggle to accept. Now, if I can't sleep, I get up, put the TV on etc and try and just be present, in that I have tried the usual things and it didn't work, so just be. This can lead to feelings of tiredness, so I wait until I know I will get to sleep, even if I usually wouldn't stay asleep.. if that makes sense?
Dreams are the unknown despite the many theories, so my guess as to why is just that. I'd maybe say it's a subconscious 'something' behind it... I still get weed dreams but I never get to actually using it. I lived in the dam and know it very well, but usually by cooffeshop. In the dreams I can't find them or feel lost, but know there's one near. It's always night time and if I find it, I wake up before I use. I reckon it's because I'm done with it, so my brain shuts it down but still plays the memory. The bits before that, I find intriguing because they're weird or just surreal. I have felt the bud, papers and rolled it, but never went past that point. The scary or graphic ones early doors were distressing because they were so real and vivid, but I saw it as healing because when I looked back I can't remember dreaming on weed, so I kind of accepted the weirdness, like an acid trip can be. I don't know your cure fella, if I did people would be paying me to fix them and I would do that for you.. for free. I can only offer my experience, both personal and professional. What I know is anxiety is a multi faceted, multi conscious condition that cripples people... their fears etc are not in their heads as I get accused of saying, which isn't what I'm saying. It's real for them but it is still rooted in their heads and consciousness and sub. Every ache aches more when your anxious or down, things get exaggerated and all of a sudden you feel worse. Add this to coming off and everything gets weird and worse... I apply the same as before, accept it's temporary and will end and it won't kill me. I then focus on now, the things I can change. I don't believe in time framing either... why do it? It's a choice but I don't think it helps, it just keeps you rooted to weed life. If you got out of prison would you count the days as though some indication of you going straight? Suddenly you're still counting after 3 years... I have moved on and just live. I have always believed I'm here for a good time, not a long time... life that is. If you've checked the physical and it's good, it has to be mental.. bio will remind me of neuro chemicals... I think we just approach this differently. Good luck with your life.
Best wishes
DerJogge wrote: Do you see how ridiculous the whole PAWS-scepticism and is? There isn’t any scientific data and study on this matter yet and still people experience the pain of PAWS. I always cringe when people are begging for scientific evidence of something and only then will they believe and acknowledge that a phenomena exists. Just because science has not catched up yet doesn’t make the problems of those people any less true and real.
My whole point is very simple but I made the effort to go into the very detail of things: just because there aren’t scientific proofs of weed, porn/masturbation PAWS yet doesn’t mean it’s not able to exist but just know that it’s extremely frustrating to constantly getting your impairment questioned by people that never went through the same as you although you are 100% sure that there is healing going on inside of you that you have barely any control over.
Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:PAWSsurvivor wrote: I'll bring this up again, earlier in the conversation you sent me a link about Psychosomatic disorder. Do you know the anxious brain needs to be unwired from fear? The mind works with associations. I had a choice, click on that link and read through symptoms that might put me into a tailspin, or not click on it and let it go. Fortunately, I have now recovered enough to be able to read through such a link without going into panic, even though it did cause some anxiety to read through it. No fault of my own, I don't have control of my unconcious mind and it's anxiety, I only have control of how i react to it once it presents itself. One year ago, I would have had insomnia and would have been highly elevated from that link. Others on this forum may have clicked that link and read parts like "Psychosomatic symptoms may come and go throughout life". In a state of high anxiety and panic, that is simply not helpful. We don't want to read anything about "might last forever". And who are we anyways to diagnose ourselves over google? I'm not a Dr. Even if that link is the truth, why not instead communicate with your own words and couch it in empowerment? Sure some symptoms may last forever, but that doesn't mean it has to be something we can't manage and control. YOU could express that, rather than sending the link.
Thanks for the feedback. As stated previously, I’m well aware of how my participation is sometimes perceived. Duly noted…again. And let me restate, this is a public discussion. I’m not insulting you or calling you names. I’m not criticizing you as a person. In fact, you have noted yourself multiple times that I am supportive, just not in a way that you personally find “empowering” or warm, or however you and others wish to describe it.
You say the success story of brokethehabit has nothing to offer you. I disagree. He just posted and he wrote something that was key to his recovery, that being mindset. I have offered and continue to suggest that mindset is your biggest hurdle.
The evidence? You get anxious to click a link. The mere fact a person offers a link with a title you find threatening sends you into a state of anxiety.
Now, I’m not sure how to couch this next bit. I don’t know the best phrasing or what “banana head” language might appeal to you. And me walking on egg shells to tip toe around your anxious state, well I don’t actually think that is very supportive. The fact you can’t even click a link is abnormal and a phobia. Do those words sound awful? Is using the terms abnormal and phobia not warm enough for you?
If you can’t even click a link, if a link makes you anxious, then you need serious professional therapy to address such a phobia. You don’t need DARE counselors telling you that you have a “banana head”. A phobia can be debilitating. You need serious clinical help.
And expecting the public to accommodate your irrational needs isn’t going to happen. People are not going to be able to read your mind and know you get anxious over a link or that you personally have an issue with how clinical terms make you feel.
Take our relationship. Unless you said something, I would’ve had no idea you get so anxious over a link or that the term psychosomatic strikes you the wrong way. And now what am I to do? Should I accommodate you? Of course I don’t want to intentionally offend, but at the same time I don’t think it is helpful, compassionate, empathetic, or supportive to treat you as some how a person with “special needs”. I don’t think you are in need of special accommodations, right?
Or do you feel that you need special accommodations to function in life?
Tell me, because I struggle with this. Give me the feedback. I prefer to treat you as an equal. I prefer to treat you as someone that doesn’t require special accommodations in a public discussion. Am I wrong?
PAWSsurvivor wrote:I'll say it again. This is why Uncommmon is not a recovery forum. I learned that awhile ago. Yes you can say what you want Richard. But look at who's around you. This an open forum that has a majority population of people in recovery. You are in the minority if you are not in PAWS / Anxiety. Imagine you were walking through a building of recovering drug addicts, and you told them to go search on google their health problems. Does that perhaps give you pause to reconsider how you are interacting? Can you couch the truth in kindness? It's an art. Sometimes the kindness comes first before the truth. Build trust, and then deliver what you see as the truth.
Here's how you could reassure someone here or me. "Graham, you have a funny feeling in your head. I know it probably feels awful. Good news is it's almost certainly benign. How do you identify with it? Could you give it a new label so it feels a bit less scary? Science shows that the more calm and positive we are, the less anxiety and sensations we feel. I know you are worried about PAWS. Does worrying help? Is there anyway you can reduce your worrying? I know you could click on a google health link about a symptom, but what if you spent those 5 minutes doing something you loved instead?"
Again no one told me directly to use banana head. I chose it upon suggestion from Curable. To reframe my sensation. I would not expect others to know that. But I would expect others to know I'm suffering from anxiety, and that I should be more focused on building joy in my life than reading medical articles on the internet.
Richard@DecisionSkills wrote:Always good to hear from you GrahamPAWSsurvivor wrote:I'll say it again. This is why Uncommmon is not a recovery forum. I learned that awhile ago. Yes you can say what you want Richard. But look at who's around you. This an open forum that has a majority population of people in recovery. You are in the minority if you are not in PAWS / Anxiety. Imagine you were walking through a building of recovering drug addicts, and you told them to go search on google their health problems. Does that perhaps give you pause to reconsider how you are interacting? Can you couch the truth in kindness? It's an art. Sometimes the kindness comes first before the truth. Build trust, and then deliver what you see as the truth.
And I’ll say it again. What you think of as kindness is not kind.
Have you ever watched this? It’s only a short clip of a conference that was held…Don’t get anxious, it’s not a clip on anything medical. It’s a clip of a room full of people that all have social/emotional issues, all wanting to be treated differently in various ways.
https://youtu.be/moWe3rk7LzQ
If I somehow ended up at that conference, I would be in the minority. I certainly would do my best to be kind, but at the same time being kind doesn’t mean trying to accommodate every individual special need. They call it a “point of privilege” but like anyone with a disability it is actually a special accommodation. These people are disabled. They can’t function in normal society.
Like in here, pointing out that maybe this room full of people could benefit by adopting a healthier mindset, most certainly the audience would not be very welcoming. I would understand that, as I understand the reaction in this forum. That doesn’t make my perspective wrong. It only makes my perspective not welcomed.
I’m pointing out a kind truth Graham. That conference isn’t helping anyone. All it is doing is reinforcing to all of those people that they are disabled and that people should treat them as such. A forum where everyone is simply reinforcing the same beliefs is equally not helpful. To be shielded from any opinions or beliefs that doesn’t follow the majority is not helpful, or kind.
Why are me and tokeless in the minority Graham? Because of our opinions. And so without any opinions being offered other than the majority it becomes the blind leading the blind.Here's how you could reassure someone here or me. "Graham, you have a funny feeling in your head. I know it probably feels awful. Good news is it's almost certainly benign. How do you identify with it? Could you give it a new label so it feels a bit less scary? Science shows that the more calm and positive we are, the less anxiety and sensations we feel. I know you are worried about PAWS. Does worrying help? Is there anyway you can reduce your worrying? I know you could click on a google health link about a symptom, but what if you spent those 5 minutes doing something you loved instead?"
Again no one told me directly to use banana head. I chose it upon suggestion from Curable. To reframe my sensation. I would not expect others to know that. But I would expect others to know I'm suffering from anxiety, and that I should be more focused on building joy in my life than reading medical articles on the internet.
I asked in a previous response if you require special accommodations. The above quote indicates that yes, you are in need of special treatment. But your special accommodation is not readily visible like a wheelchair. Instead, it requires getting to know you and realizing the very special way that you believe is kind, helpful and will bring you comfort.
That type of relationship is built one on one, not in a public forum.
As for building joy in your life, I think you are going about it the wrong way. You are trying to get the world to adapt to your special needs. Look at how you have provided me instructions as to how you would offer to interact with you. How many times will you need to repeat those instructions to others you come across? How many times will you need to have others modify their behaviors to accommodate you so that you can find more joy?
Instead of trying to find more joy by seeking to tell others how they should treat you, how about working on finding more joy regardless of how others treat you?