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Postby Leo Volont » Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:57 pm

kanwal wrote:I've done many bad things in my teenage years/early adulthood. Today I am almost 23 and deeply regret all of them and don't act the same way anymore but that doesn't matter to me. I still hate myself and start thinking about suicide from the moment I wake up.

The particular memory that has been making me want to kill myself lately is related to a dog I had when I was 16/17 years old. She was like 4 years old and really big and strong. Up to that point I had always treated her right but when then she started to misbehave. Namely she wouldn't stop barking no matter what. Frustration and anger would build up and I didn't know what else to do so I began to physically punish her. Most of the time I'd throw water/shoes at her but sometimes I would also kick and punch her. One time I remember completely flipping out and punching her in the ear 5 or 6 times, that was the furthest I went. These never helped and she didn't seem to grow afraid of me. I must say that at that age I started to have other interests and looking back I didn't give her enough attention. I also couldn't take her for walks because she was too strong and would go crazy when she saw another dog.



Hi Kanwal,


I'm glad you are back. Yes, I've written you before in this subject, and perhaps had taken the wrong tact. Now, I think it is best that agree with you, that, yes, you treated that dog very poorly and should be ashamed of yourself.

and you ARE in fact ashamed of yourself. that is a VERY GOOD thing. Very Good things are done by Very Good people, and Very Good people really should not contemplate suicide for feeling ashamed of what really nasty people wouldn't give a second thought to. Indeed, at work there is the nervous and insecure individual who used to brag about killing a dog just because it ran along side his bicycle and barked at him. that guy is really screwed up, but suicide is the farthest thing from his mind. It would simply be Unjust if you committed suicide while that guy still drinks beer on Friday nights.

But THAT doesn't make you feel any better, does it?

But I know what will.

Penance and Atonement. you need to Volunteer at a Pet Shelter and help with the dogs. I once had a Mixed Record with Cats, and so I decided to work with Cats -- in Shelters, Kennels, Animal Hospitals... any place that would take me. I actually became something of a renowned amateur Feline Expert. I even ran several Feral Cat Feeding Stations and conducted Catch Neuter or Spay and Release Protocols (the local Animal Hospitals subsidized the cost of the operations, thank God). Now I have five cats in my home. You see, whatever mischief I committed against cats in my youth, well, I can honestly say that I worked all of that off. In the end, it all served for the Greater Good, no?

also, other Posts have got this on my mind, but you should read a college level book on "childhood development". the gist of it would be that young people.... pre-adults... are virtually insane just by the fact that their brains have not grown to capacity yet, and that they bombarded by frightening levels of very potent hormones pumping through their blood. So, if you did indeed act crazy and violent when you were that age, well, thank God you lived through it and the damage wasn't worse. But DON'T blame yourself. it was Childhood Development.

I got to thinking, WHY have human being been designed by Evolution to reach Sexual Maturity years before their brains would attain their full capacity? Well, maybe, this precocious growth is a new factor on the scene... with all the growth hormones in the milk we drink and the meat we eat, both boys and girls reach sexual maturity YEARS before they used to. But the Brain still lags behind the B..... Also, Evolution might have been looking for ways of 'Thinning the Herd'. A noticeable Faculty that stays undeveloped in Young Adults is Risk Aversion. Young Adults don't seem to recognize the danger in many of the impulsive things they do. Well, maybe Evolution thought that the particularly mal-adapted Individuals would be more likely to get themselves killed, and , really, who needs them anyway. Girls will go on having babies whether there are many fathers or a few really lucky guys. And if my observations on life ring the least bit true, well, when it comes to making babies, I think the girls prefer the 'few lucky guys to the rest of the herd that just seem safer and more available. If they need a Caretaker, they go to one sort of man, but when they want to actually make that Baby, they gravitate toward the other. Again, sometimes the Hardwiring of Evolution does not fit in with the Civilized Constructs we have set up -- Marriage, Home and Family, and all that other stuff that never existed as Homo Sapiens developed into being Human Beings.

anyway, please let me know if my advice was closer to the mark this time.
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Postby HelpMeToHelpYou » Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:25 am

Ask yourself, is it something your partner does to annoy you? Talk to each other. This should be the best way to solve things. If its something he is doing to annoy you maybe he can stop doing this.
I know it is hard but think before you act. When you feel yourself getting wound up remind yourself of how you have acted in the past before you get too angry and out of control to think.
If it gets to that point where you are too angry push yourself to go outside and go for a walk to calm yourself down as with some people the breathing exercises don't necessarily work. I hope this works for you and your relationship lasts a life time.
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Postby Marksteven » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:49 pm

Remember that Happiness is the meaning and purpose of life. Never postpone your joy. There's no better time than the present to enjoy. No one and nothing can make you feel bad, without your permission. Physical activity can help reduce stress that can cause you to become angry. If you feel your anger escalating, go for a brisk walk or run, or spend some time doing other enjoyable physical activities. Learning to control anger is a challenge for everyone at times. Consider seeking help for anger issues if your anger seems out of control, causes you to do things you regret or hurts those around you.
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Postby Leo Volont » Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:50 pm

Marksteven wrote:Remember that Happiness is the meaning and purpose of life. Never postpone your joy. There's no better time than the present to enjoy. No one and nothing can make you feel bad, without your permission. Physical activity can help reduce stress that can cause you to become angry. If you feel your anger escalating, go for a brisk walk or run, or spend some time doing other enjoyable physical activities. Learning to control anger is a challenge for everyone at times. Consider seeking help for anger issues if your anger seems out of control, causes you to do things you regret or hurts those around you.


If you just want to be happy, then you can be a drug addict, and, believe me, a lot of people who make it their priority to be happy are in fact drug addicts. Why? Because if you have no further glimpse concerning the Meaning of Life -- helping others, Art, Science, Saving the World -- then you might as well get Happy in the most assured way, and that is by getting a hold of what happens to be the best Euphoric Drug on the market at the moment... I don't keep up, but if you are really motivated to get 'happy', well, you'll find a supplier. Then your worries will all be over and at last you will know true Bliss... oh, you may argue that Drugs do not bring True Bliss... but try to convince any drug addict of that.
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Postby Cpt Yossarian » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:04 pm

Dear Leo Volont,

I know a drug addict. He lives in misery every day. He phones me up asking for my help and I help when I can. Through his experience I do not believe he is in "true bliss." He is trying to stop the habit. He lives a life without purpose or meaning.

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Postby Leo Volont » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:12 pm

Cpt Yossarian wrote:Dear Leo Volont,

I know a drug addict. He lives in misery every day. He phones me up asking for my help and I help when I can. Through his experience I do not believe he is in "true bliss." He is trying to stop the habit. He lives a life without purpose or meaning.

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Well, I can see your point. Most drug addicts are terribly unhappy, in those moments when they are not enfogged in their 'high', and this can be a very long time, if they are poor and cannot afford to stay high all the time.

You know, I have been criticized on this page for explaining myself too extensivelty... people obviously tire of my wisdom... and so I have been endeavoring to keep things shorter. Well, you see what happens then?

I SHOULD have said that one needs to be a Rich Drug Addict -- one with Independent Wealth -- People in the position to thumb their noses at those claiming a Moral Superiority. Wealthy people can stay "Medicated" all the time.

Oh, and a great many of them do. It is one of the Perks of being in the 1%,

However, ask your drug addict friend if he is willing to give up his 45 minutes of Drugged Bliss every day... or every other day, for a Life of total... well... the Pain of Struggling by in this World if you are NOT Wealthy, NOT Secure. You know, most of us in the Western World now, and Everyone in the Developing World seems to be just 10 Minutes of slack attention away from being Homeless and Destitute. It is SO demoralizing that I can quite understand why people become Drug Addicts. it is better than the other alternative, isn't it? As in Japan, they frown so strongly on drug abuse that their unhappy people commit suicide... forgive the rather broad generalization, but I only make it in order to show what point I am trying to make.
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Postby JuliusFawcett » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:00 pm

Our inner peace is linked to a number of things

May I ask you some questions

Are you eating the right amount of healthy food?
Are you drinking the right amount of healthy drinks?
Are you taking the right amount of healthy exercise?
Are you getting a good balance between work, rest and play?
Are you able to forgive easily?
Are you contributing to your community?
Are you grateful to the people who make your life more comfortable?
Are you looking after your personal appearance and your living environment?
Are you able to trust your intuition?
Are you able to choose positive and optimistic thought patterns?
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Postby Leo Volont » Thu Apr 02, 2015 2:59 pm

JuliusFawcett wrote:Our inner peace is linked to a number of things

May I ask you some questions

Are you eating the right amount of healthy food?
Are you drinking the right amount of healthy drinks?
Are you taking the right amount of healthy exercise?
Are you getting a good balance between work, rest and play?
Are you able to forgive easily?
Are you contributing to your community?
Are you grateful to the people who make your life more comfortable?
Are you looking after your personal appearance and your living environment?
Are you able to trust your intuition?
Are you able to choose positive and optimistic thought patterns?


Hi Julius,

Well, if we could honestly say yes to that complete checklist of yours, then I suppose we would not only be rid of our anger issues, but we would no longer need boats.... we would be able to walk on the water.

But, yes, you are absolutely correct. the next time I am responding to a Poster writing in with a problem, I'll try to remember to tell that that they need to be perfect in every way, and then refer them to your comprehensive list... although I think you might have left out 'littering' and looking both ways when crossing the street. you know... 'the Devil is in the Details".
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Postby JuliusFawcett » Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:04 pm

Which one of the challenges within the questions is outside of your control Leo?
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Postby lovelychan » Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:20 am

Prince wrote:Try to follow these tips to avoid outburst:
Think before you speak always
Once you are calm, express your anger then
Take a timeout
Get some exercise
Don't hold a grudge
Practice relaxation skills
Use humor to release anger/tension
Consider seeking help


Hi, Prince. I definitely agree with your tips to relieve an anger or rather to avoid outburst. By the way, in the case of looking for advice, I guess, she needs to sort out first what causes her anger. There might be unresolved issues that were left behind. I suggest that they should have a heart to heart talk first. Communication is very important in a relationship to avoid misunderstandings or disputes. I do hope, that will help:)
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Postby Leo Volont » Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:06 pm

JuliusFawcett wrote:Which one of the challenges within the questions is outside of your control Leo?


Hi Julius,

It is always do nice to speak with you.

YES, you are right! NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THE CHALLENGES is really outside of my abilities to surmount them... BUT, it is like GOLF. I worked my way through College as a Golf Caddy. and as Winston Churchill said, "Golf is a sport where one knocks around little white ball with implements that are entirely unsuited to knocking around little balls". It CAN be done but it requires that people follow exactly and in precise coordination about a dozen or more TIPS on how to have a Correct Golf Swing.

Juliius, YES, you are right, but it is too much all at once. it is too much Forest and not enough Trees.

Maybe you should try to Focus on what the Primary Problem is. Even when I was just a kid working my way through College, I never gave my Golfers a Complete List of EVERYTHING they should work on -- I just concentrated on the Thing they were doing the Worst. and it worked for me. I was appraised as one of the Best Caddies at the Country Club, and it was not Flat Fees that got me through School... but the Tips.

So, you are Right and Wrong at the Same time... now isn't that Life?
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Postby coachjoe » Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:59 am

I just joined the forum and i notice your request was several months ago...how is it going ?
One of the tools i have developed in my anger coaching program is this anger journal
by utilizing it you may be able to begin to get a handle on your anger, it has worked for me, and everyone else i know who uses it... it is a good first start.

Hope it helps.
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Recognizing & Controlling Anger: Using the Anger Journal

The First step in learning to Control anger is to recognize when you are feeling angry at Low Levels
What does it “feel” like to be angry? What are the First signs?
What are your Body Signals?
Ex. Warm
Shaking
Restless
..Add your own words
What are your Anger Behaviors?
Ex. Talking quickly
Yelling
Moving around
..Add you own words

Levels of anger
Using a scale of 1-10 (With 1 being mildly irritated and 10 being out of control) it is important to analyze your level of anger and how you react or respond.
Think about words that describe different levels

Level 1-3
Bugged
Irritated
Annoyed
.. Add your own words

Level 4-6
Angry
Mad
Agitated
.. Add your own words

Level 7-10
Enraged
Furious
Exploding
..Add your own words

Once you recognize these levels and understand how it feels to be angry, how can you begin to control it?
There are at least three choices.
Stuff it
Escalate it
Direct it
Let’s analyze these
Stuffing is a common response. It is a way of denying, blaming, sympathizing or intellectualizing. Examples are:
I am not angry (Denial)
He/She doesn’t mean to get me upset (sympathy)
I really screwed up this time (poor self-image)
I really do not have a right to be angry (self-doubt)
They are just trying to get me angry, but I am not going too (intellectualizing)
The problem often with stuffing is that it can fester and then comes the explosion!
Escalating is anything that we do to make ourselves angrier, and is the least productive thing we can do.
It usually involves statements starting with YOU, such as
You made me angry!
You (blank), it is all your fault!
Directing is the most difficult for many, yet it is the most effective and simplest to do, once we learn HOW!
It is a twostep formula, two simple statements, starting with
I feel angry that…
I would like…
For example:
I feel angry that you yelled at me while we were out in public
I would like you to wait until we are home or talk in a lower voice
This type of communication enables us to get our point across without intimidation, and is more likely to improve communication and increase personal contact and intimacy.


The Anger Journal is a way to keep a record of how we respond to situations that get is angry. By keeping a journal, we can see how we are progressing in our ability to control anger.

Feel Free to make copies and use it daily to monitor your growth.
ANGER JOURNAL

Date
Situation

Intensity 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Behavioral Signs
Physical Signs
Did you Take a Time out?
Did you Stuff it, Escalate it or Direct it? circle one & comment
Any Alcohol or Drug use?
Additional Comments, Notes, etc.



Hope that helps.

Joe
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Postby Leo Volont » Thu Sep 24, 2015 2:02 pm

Dear CoachJoe,

Good Post, Joe.... clearly you have delved deep into anger management and thought about it a lot. that is a very good thing.

But I have a few suggestions.

You seem to want people to deal with their Anger in some Perfect Manner -- totally true and consistent with all Truth and Beauty, and that will make for Decisions that they can stand behind for ever.

But Really!?

You MUST have once been an Angry Person. Right!? Well, what is WORSE than an Episode of Anger? Considering the Horrible Consequences of Becoming Angry, are you really Quibbling on how people go about maneuvering themselves out of Anger. whatever Works seems fine to me.

And, yes, I encourage everyone to keep reading and researching Anger Management, in order to Fine Tune and totally Rationalize and Optimize the Approaches they use.

BUT, in regards to Advice for people writing in... I would aim for whatever it is that works -- if Denial Works... it is Better than being arrested for trashing an office or assaulting somebody, isn't it. the Same for all of the other Imperfect Modes of Anger Control you have mentions. However Imperfect, if they Stop the Anger, then they Did the Job. right?

One of my Pet Peeves is with Anger Management Counselors who encourage ASSERTIVENESS.... of All Things! They think it is the Best Interest of People who are Prone to Anger to Stand Up to Authority and Demand Their Rights. Yes, that would be good advise to some natural born Saint, who can speak of his claims in a mild an d deferential voice... but to tell Angry People to Step Up and Not Back Down... well.... as I said, it is Great Advice for Saints, but Absolutely the Wrong Advice for Angry people, who should acknowledge that Becoming angry is the Worst Thing that can befall them, and that Everything Else takes a far second place.... such as Setting the Boss Straight.

Anyway, you have Obviously Gone over the Literature. Very Well. I might add. But now, you need to think about it and sort out the Important Stuff from what was probably stuff from Their Other Books... Pet Ideas that they Think Apply Everywhere.... but DON'T.

Remember, we are not here to teach Anger Management to Perfect Saints. We have to more or less Guess what will work with the different people who write in, and we should not tie our hands behind our backs by insisting that people can't, well, just do anything that Works. Finding Perfect Ways will come later. But, at first, it is enough to save their Jobs and their Family, and to keep them out of Jail. Don't you agree?
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Postby coachjoe » Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:24 pm

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Yes I agree that perhaps I should have edited that "report". It is part of a series and I think that your idea of short direct responses in this forum would be more helpful. I do like your comment about assertiveness, as i agree that some may not "get it" and take that concept ( which is directed more towards those who are holding back & stuffing anger) and use it as a justification for more aggressive behavior. I certainly would hae in my anger days...
Have a great day
Thanks
Joe
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Postby Leo Volont » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:48 pm

coachjoe wrote:Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Yes I agree that perhaps I should have edited that "report". It is part of a series and I think that your idea of short direct responses in this forum would be more helpful. I do like your comment about assertiveness, as i agree that some may not "get it" and take that concept ( which is directed more towards those who are holding back & stuffing anger) and use it as a justification for more aggressive behavior. I certainly would hae in my anger days...
Have a great day
Thanks
Joe


Hi Joe,


Oh! I had to laugh when you said that it was my idea to make "short direct responses"... oh, no! I SHOULD perhaps be doing that... but I always write something of a full essay... which, for the ... what is it? "Chirpie"?.... not it is "Twittie" Generation, I am almost certain that I am overdoing their attention spans. You know, I suspect that not many members of the Slacker Generation and sitting down to get comfortable reading Tolstoy's "War and Peace".... if only he had chopped it down to 144 characters! ....

But what I DO DO is try to zero in on the Primary Problem... and then Stir them toward All of Books. there are about 4 or 5 Books in the Anger Management Literature which, between them All, cover every possible contingency and possibility for Anger.

So the Big Plan is to give them Enough Help NOW to give them Confidence in us, SO that we can recommend the Books, and, hopefully, that we have Fired Them Up enough to overcome their Slacker-Twitter repugnance for reading anything that takes longer than 30 seconds. if we can get them interested in the extensive Literature on Anger Management, well, Our Job Is Done. isn't that so? i
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